Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Actually it is a deterrent and a limiting factor to ganking in general. Basically, it's going to deter people from ganking without making a profit. And in the same way it will limit people who decide to gank without profit based on their level of expendable assets. This does not exist in low sec. There is no deterrent in Low sec at all and as such traveling through low sec has so much more risk that it is not a proper balance to the time it saves.



So this "large chunk of the player base" who's "play style will be destroyed" is everyone is high sec? Is that what you're telling me? Where do you get the idea that this change will "destroy" the play style of everyone in high sec? Do mission runners Need to travel between empires to run missions? Do miners need to travel between empires to mine? Do Haulers and scanners need to travel between empires to haul and scan? Do Incursion runners need to travel through empires... yes. Incursions are the only play style that require mobility. And they're such a small, yet wealthy portion of the high sec demographic that it really doesn't bother me if their play style is infringed upon.

Oh wait you're saying traders who don't leave the station? How large of a demographic is this? Why would they need stuff moved around, they only play games with the value of currently available items. They won't be impacted at all...... What are you smoking??!?

Even if that was true, which it's not and can see by the mere fact that people live in low/null/wh space for the profits, local production will also be incentivised. Local production is the whole idea for the upcoming Industry changes. The maximum anything will be worth is the cost to produce it locally. With the exception of things you can't produce locally.

Breaking high sec apart doesn't "break hisec". People will still have large swaths of continuous high sec to fly around. By putting low sec between empires it does provide much greater incentive to travel through low sec than we have now. People will still need to *want* to enter low sec, but with this there are reasons to do it. Currently the only incentives are FW and just to see what's there. There is no driving factor for/to lowsec. And by surrounding low sec with null, that makes low sec effectively the path to nowhere.

Think of it like this, what other games can you travel from town to town in complete safety(with out at least having been there first)? Basically EVE just has one town, High sec, and there's really no incentive to leave.

simple thing: the empire factiosn are at war with each other. thats the idea of factionwar.

so ther should be borders guarded by heavy npc forces and "dead system aka lowsec" in between.

right now it´s like russia sitting next to the usa and both looking the border and telling you "there is a boarder? we couldn´t care less" empire is right now just oone big blue muffin sitting in a ring of nullsec (no matter if donut or no donut)

I think a better idea is have incursions do a temporary low sec any system it exist in for more than 48 hours. Might add variety to the static alliance gate camp mania you are all searching for. Like a storyline of incursions scrambling concord communications or something. Still should not allow POS but everything else like low sec.. I just think there are better forced pvp options. And still block cyno beacons...

I think he meant have incursions turn the system into losec temporarily So no CONCORD response etc

With a change like this, maybe we can change other mechanics that could use some updating.

For instance: War Dec Revamp

If you want to own POCOs or POS' in empire space you have to register your corp/alliance with the respective empire of the space you want to use(requires certain level of faction standing). Only registered Corps are able to be the non-consensual target of a War Declaration and it only applies in the empire of the specified faction. Also all FW corps will automatically be "registered" with their faction.

Any structures anchored in Empire space that are not registered with the faction in control of the space are free targets to anyone. (including offline POS', haha 2 birds 1 stone)

This means War Decs wouldn't be able to be used to grief noob corps. Their purpose would be to fight for assets in high sec space. And if your corp can't handle it, you can always move to another Empire where the wardec is not in effect.

Of course there will still be suicide ganking for anyone that's a big proponent of non-consensual pvp. And of course for RvB there can still be mutual forever wars.

I've changed my mind. This should be done. It is just too easy to move around highsec. Stronger regional hubs would be good for the game - more diversity.

I support

What you say is completely absurd. Incursions do nothing to people other then slightly inconvenience those in the area. Your complaint is with the eve player base in general. Incursions have nothing to do with how people are in this game.


What is the point of this idea? This change will not produce magical gatecamp fun. It'll just result in less movement of people which will result in large areas of highsec being useless. I guess that's a great thing if you're a ganker as you won't have to put forth as much effort to find targets. For the rest of the population it'll just mean a move to the populated faction.

You don't know what you are talking about. EVE's economy deflated during the last year.

Inflation could happen because of the slight decentralization in trade. Jita dictates prices more than any other place in EvE, and if you did surround every Empire space with low sec we would have 4 big trade hubs instead of one super. That would mean 4 times less undercutting of price. Less competition = more profit and higher prices.

(Edit: But likely more people would just move to Caldari because of Jita. That problem needs to be adressed)

Also more ships would blow up and that would drive the mineral prices up. But currently EvE has a slight deflation so it wouldn't be bad.