Player Features and Ideas Discussion

All of my eve career low sec has been nothing more than just a middle ground between high sec and null sec. The only time i fly through low sec is when i'm traveling between the two. Which doesn't really happen that often.

What does happen often is people flying from high sec to high sec. And if there was opportunity to be gained then i too would fly from high sec through low sec to high sec. Because why not just let Low sec continue to be a transitional area only with greater utilization. In this way that is stated in the original post it would create a very dynamic and diverse atmosphere in low sec and in high sec. Two of the very most stagnant areas in eve.

People don't fly to low sec now because there's no reason to. Give them reason to and they will.

His imaginary highsec folk are the ones not wanting to go through lowsec, or to put it differently, the ones who your ideal trade profits would come from. If no one has lowsec aversion, the idea becomes meaningless as it would have minimal affect on travel.

High sec folk are not all lowsec adverse. Many of them just lack reason to go to low sec. As do most people in eve most of the time.

I agree entirely about losec being the centre, the fulcrum between hisec and null with WH sitting as a 4th dimension outside the other areas. For it to be more populated it needs to be policed but I wouldn't want hisec style CONCORD there, leave that for hisec. Players policing the area would make a real difference *if* they can be enticed into doing so as a viable alternative career to piracy. Make them empire privateers much like Britain did with Francis Drake and such. CONCORD agree to let them loot any ship destroyed alongside paying out bounties etc on pirates.

I really hope that Eve isn't just about PvP combat and the twisted representation that ganking and the like present of this. My first view of Eve was of the rich and diverse number of playstyles, curtailing these by nerfing any region, or even constructive coercion of players diminishes the game that is Eve and that would be ultimately bad for the game.

With this kind of a change, there's bound to be an increase in pirate activity. Because there's going to be places where people will most likely be wanting to cross (the shortest routs). And at the same time other players will know that pirates will probably be camping these places so there would be a sort of back and forth of pirates and anti-pirates. Gankings and counter-gankings. It would be great. And it would definitely go along great with another change i have proposed https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345662&find=unread

As for the PvP stuff, eve is first and foremost a PvP game. The only time you're safe from any pvp activity is when you're docked up. Unless you're playing the .01 isk game, then even when you're docked up you're playing against other players. This is what eve is. It should be embraced.

Here I would point out that people can already make more profit from their time by running through losec from hub to hub now. They don't because they either don't have the time or inclination to do so and nothing would change this for those players. Those players have absolutely no interest in ganking and counter ganking or indeed any form of ship combat PvP. They are in it for the trading PvP, the outmaneuvring an opponent in the market, outproducing the opposition, undercutting and other such isk based skullduggery. Others simply actually like to build and sell things, they enjoy the process of gathering goods, making something else from them and then selling the finished product. Those players know full well they could make more isk from other playstyles and don't care as the other styles don't interest them. This change would simply make those players less likely to bother which can only be a bad thing.



Every action in Eve is pretty much PvP. Grabbing the best rocks before others or simply ignoring them to gather up resources you need from lower end rocks in greater safety are PvP actions. The player using hisec is defeating the objective of the losec player by simply not going there. The losec player can go and defeat the hisec miner objective by ganking him. I regularly sell large investment items above other players in the same region which is again another PvP action as I get the sale I want before they do. I gather PI goods without being shot to bits this defeating the gankers by evading them.

Everything comes down to these small personal victories in Eve and that's what makes it fun. Sometimes I have much more fun breaking through a 10 ship gatecamp in an unarmed ship than if I were to jump in and attack them with a bigger fleet. Othert times if the mood took me I'm sure I could have an equal kick from dropping a fleet on top of the same gatecamp but mostly that isn't my thing. Currently there are a multitude of options for PvP actions, trying to turn everyone towards ship to ship combat is counter-productive. Giving people more reasons to enter combat (which most likely would still be avoided by the combat averse one way or another) is far better than making it the only option to maintain a viable profit.

to devide all empires by lowsec, would create a more healty and luctrative trade and remove Jita as a main trading hub for all empires.

As ive mention before, a war betwene the empires that results in closed borders, gates that og offline, will force the usuall traders to think New ways to bring in og aquire goods. And as a bonus to trade, if a big war errupts, the different empires will have an direct impact on the marked, demanding high amounts of ships and equipment.... and the war will be vsible at borderlines, where u see empirefleets clash... even see systems fall and become owned by the victorious empire.

(Even the oh so borring incursions could get a boost, when Sansha makes their move, their effect would be reduces or strangled gate activations, even closed gates.... and reduces sec status for the effected systems.)

This is basically what we have now. And guess what, everyone chooses to go the 25 jump high sec route.

The choice between safe or fast is really not a choice. The choice needs to be between safer or faster meaning there is no perfectly safe route.

There is no perfectly safe route through hisec. If you believe this then maybe you could prove it by putting 10 PLEX in a t1 hauler and autopiloting it through the trade hub routes. It would be interesting to see how it fared.

For this idea to work (in the sense of force people into losec) would require hisec to be broken apart entirely. That would utterly destroy a large chunk of the player bases chosen style of play. There must be a good reason why CCP hasn't implemented this change (it is after all a simple database change to amend system security levels).

Lets also consider what happens to empires when they are cut off from one another by hostile forces. Consider WWII with the great european empires at each others throats. Once the sealanes were a submarine free for all what happened to trade in those empires? Did it suddenly flourish as a few enterprising merchants risked all to get across through those channels? Or did it take a huge investment in naval power to even get a small percentage of those goods safely through? Guess what happened to those old empires as trade got ground into the dust...

Ok, i'll concede these points, there is no perfectly safe place. However High sec does have a major deterrent to hostility where as low sec has basically none. In high sec you can fly a ship around of sufficiently low cargo value and not get ganked. However in low sec it doesn't matter if you have your cargo over loaded or completely empty, you will still be ganked.

So what i said is still mostly true, if you're hauling within reason of course. The fact is that you have a choice between very very safe and slow, or very very unsafe and fast. It's like the choice is jump off a waterfall to get down quick or walk around the safe way. That's about how much difference there is in the choice viability as of right now.



What play style is this that contains a "large chunk" of the player base that lives solely in high sec space that requires constant travel between all the empires? Who are these people???

Well, unlike WWII, the Empires in eve are just a fantasy place that actually do not consume any goods. The Empires are not impacted at all by player trade. If they were then the Caldari would have taken over most of the game.