Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm not talking about ores ffs.

I'm talking about everything. I used gasoline as an example. But what you are advocating is making each region more economically isolated. In fact, what this could do is make Jita and the Forge like it is now, but on steroids. Why? Because people in null don't want to be arsed running all over hi sec from trade hub to trade hub. They might very well, go "F*** it, Jita it is cause I know I can get pretty good if not the best prices and pretty much everything I need in sufficient quantity is there, and I can jump it back the various null regions." Sure getting it from Jita to Fountain might be a bit of problem, but then again maybe not considering the network of alliances and allies on that side of the map. Amarr might get a boost...maybe.



You have already noted this isn't a problem. For two reasons:

1. It is easy to get from anywhere in hi sec to Jita via hi sec and autopiloting.
2. Because of 1, prices tend to equilibrate--i.e. a guy can buy in bulk in Jita move it to where ever prices are high and make a profit. Competition over time will bring down prices in the area where there is a shortage.

Your solution will break both 1 and 2.

You may make the very problem you are complaining about worse.

Why supers though? Its a jump freighter you can alpha the thing with 10 tier 3 battlecruisers. You would have to keep up a 24/7 watch to see when it would come in and have the titan in jump bridge range the whole time, or always be camping it in which case the guy wont come. Also who is to say you couldn't have more than one pos? Destruction of the pos is the only viable option which would encourage battles that matter in low sec. Only people who can defend the pos or pay someone else to would set them up. If your popping a POS then supers make sense, otherwise it just blows. You also factor in who wants to pop a pos that is only a cyno site with no gain other than ***** and giggles? Also I think their is a Mittani article that talks about fighting for objectives other than capital bakeries and tech moons? This would be a perfect alternative.



Are their enough belts in Caldari for everyone? Is their enough ice in Caldari for everyone? What about station factory slots or moons? planets? I don't think so.
If jita got more populated like you say then you would find that the other four regions have much less competition for harvetsing. So as an industrialist I could create far greater volumes elsewhere. That means everywhere else in eve other than jita would have far lower prices. So your idea of Jita becoming bigger is obviously false. In fact "f**ck it, Jita" is already the dominate sentiment judging by the big red blob you see when you look at the average pilots in space on the map.




1. I feel that it is a problem because trading is a boring profession that is easily botable. Not to mention nobody buys things in a backwater like rens, if my change were added it would be the go to place for minmatar ice and ships in bulk bringing other types of markets with it benefiting the locals.
2. Rens and hek are always in shortage. They suck hard, you occasionally get bulk sales in one of those areas but it is infrequent. Things are often times more expensive their as is. My change would help them compete and not suck.


Overall I think this change would definitely create more opportunities for something called "fun"

Eve is not a peaceful place like europe. The four empires all have their differences. The caldari hate the gallente for taking their homeworld, the gallente hate the caldari for killing millions on their homeworld. The only thing keeping the peace is a 3rd party navy equipped with advanced technology eons ahead of the other races. Also unlike the real world the four races hire militias run by private corporations the fight in the side area's of their territory.

Now I can understand why you would want the gallente and minmatar to be connected and the amarr and caldari to be connected but I think it would be better gameplay wise if they were all separate.

Also it is a bannable offense to evade concord.

definitely a no brainer

Heh it wouldn't really make it much more dangerous for most high sec dwellers or greatly effect their income. It just ads easily exploited extra riches for those willing to risk it.

Look at the map. Going from Sing Laison (where I used to make stuff) to Rens and Hek entailed a significantly larger number of 0.5 systems. Systems that anybody looking to gank a freighter would use. Going to Amarr or Jita on the other hand had only one/two real choke points Uedama, Niarja. Looking at the region of Sinq Laison vs. Heimatar the latter has 26.3% more low sec systems. So yeah...Minmatar space sucks in terms of trade.

My argument is you are going to make things more like Minmatar space. Or at the very least Jita and Caladari space and Amarr and Amarr space may become even more clogged while Gallente space takes a hit and Minmatar takes the biggest hit.



Try again, this time ease up on the ceteris paribus assumption.



It is possible, but unlikley, because your reasoning above is lacking--i.e. it is relying too much on ceteris paribus.



No **** Sherlock, I'm not saying it isn't like that already. I'm trying to warn you that it might become worse.

If your beef is with Jita, buff null sec production. Null sec has everything in terms of raw materials for massive production, but the actual production process is horrible and not cost effective compared to hi sec.

Then don't go to lowsec. What would this change for you? Not being able to send your freighter afk to jita? Is that how you have fun?

If you have a better alternative to minmatar space you are likely to trade their. If everyone's space has obstacles in getting their the risk will be evenly spread and that problem would not exist. Also the number of low sec systems does not matter as long as you have one path with high sec. It's not like your physically going to clog it.



So their are enough factory slots, ice belts full of new order slaves,moons, asteroid belts, exploration sites, and wormholes for everyone? Or will everything be moved to jita as it is now? Also next time try making an argument instead of a latin phrase I had to google that didn't really explain what was wrong with my point.



Why?



My main beef is not with jita. Also you neglect I already mentioned nullsec production in the first post.



Their are plenty of other reasons to do this.

Namely to make trading fun in the face of it being only buying a ship loading it with loot then autopiloting while you aren't even their. Also the hopeful possibility of making low sec a place where pvp other than FW and pirates shooting other pirates for no real gain. The end result being the only people who will loose their current style of play are afk traders who when at their keyboards its boring as hell, not to mention easily done by a bot.

I don't trade, I just run missions, and occasionally explode when I decide to try my luck against some sadist stealing my mission objectives.


That said, this change would raise my operating costs by causing price increases across the board due to the rise in operating costs/skill requirements of those who do trade. It would also restrict my movements, I like to try and keep my faction more or less ok between all the factions, and sometimes I move just to face different enemies, and thus get different salvage drops and that sort of thing. I don't mission in one boat, I like to fly different things depending on mood and whim, so when i move station I have to make several trips to move all my ships. In the short term, it prevents me from joining with friends new to the game and are not prepared to join our fleet by crossing through low sec where they will be shot and podded for giggles by the camps.

Yes, I am bad at eve. I don't care for most of its pvp, and pretty much just like to hang with friends and bear it up wherever the whim strikes tonight. Sometimes this means we all just drop into pods and jump 18 gates and buy new ships for the night. Sometimes we decide to max out faction with a corp or agent and hump one station for a month. Who cares? That's our playstyle and its as valid as any other. We should not be forced into the role of your prey solely because you prefer to pvp with people that don't like, and can't defend themselves from, being shot.

Anything that forces my non afk playstyle into lowsec is bad. Kill bots all you like.

Exactly. Those who enjoy the cat and mouse games already have ample opportunity and incentive to join you in lowsec. Forcing others there won't make it fun for them, they will just find something else to do, to the point of leaving the game entirely when all the fun has been sucked from the game due to this sort of change.

Lowsec is similar to the crime depressed areas of large inner cities. Lack of security for business and visitors have created economic wastelands where only those who cause the situation fare well. Everyone else just avoids the area unless they have no choice. The only way to get more targets into lowsec is to stop hunting your prey to extinction.