Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm trying to figure out how people are thinking this is a nerf high sec thread.

because it just makes it more of a pain in the arse to get around in high sec, and doesn't really solve any thing.

it's basically the same as removing jump bridges for null, doesn't stop you doing anything but it makes things more inconvenient. a lot of effort just to make the game less enjoyable.

Shush! How dare you to suggest such heresy! You must not play EVE casually or when you cannot devote yourself to full combat gameplay! That ruins the game. You should feel bad for thinking those people should be allowed to play!


Disclaimer: /s

Agreed. When I started playing Eve I was terrified of Low Sec. Now I'm in there constantly with little fear, only excitement. All it takes is an understanding of how it works.

You can escape almost every gate camp with nothing but a MWD, anyway.

How does any of this nerf hi sec? At all?

There are not other systems equivalent to Jita; you are wrong.

This would, for obvious reason, improve the value of trade. I would love for you to explain to me how I am wrong.

Increasing the number of entrances to low sec would, obviously, help alleviate problems with gate camps on hi sec entrances. Explain to me how I am wrong.

A greater number of low sec systems decreases the distribution of players in low sec, thus lowering risk as a whole. Explain to me how I am wrong.

I know you can't; humor me.

Let's see:



Partly wrong on both sides. Jita is the only hub for big trade volumes and affordable of important moon minerals. No other hub can compete there. And such a change would very likely not change that fact, because it is difficult to distribute them. Jita also functions as a centralized market that everyone uses for regular trade, while the other trade hubs are mostly enjoy purchases for immediate needs. None of the other trade hubs is equivalent to Jita, that is just proving the "people are dumb" point: Trade happens in other hubs, but the volume is a whole lot smaller.
Is this going to change with low sec between high sec systems? It certainly can, because people cannot simply go to Jita any more to buy mission fits for their missions in Domain, Kador or Genesis, so they need to buy in Amarr, for instance. But it can (and that's what I think is more likely, because "people are dumb") go the other way, due to the worse availability of moon minerals in other empires than Caldari, which hampers production of T2 items.



It would certainly make the transportation across space a more required service, but if you are cut off from your much needed supplies of components and materials, trade falls apart. You cannot trade what you don't have and what you cannot bring to your preferred trade location.



How many entrances to low sec do you have in mind? 6? 7? 8 per empire? Then you would have a point, but as you can see on the current map, there are very few low sec entrances across regions. And introducing new regions/region-like space is the proposal of the OP, isn't it? That, in turn means, there cannot be a lot of low sec region gates, because that would invalidate the point of low sec between belligerent empires, wouldn't it? So, even if there are regions like The Bleak Lands between the empires with a lot of system-system low sec entrances, there are still only a limited number of region cross points.
And before you start pointing out that TBL has a lot of region gates: they all lead to different regions, you can take off the region gates to Devoid because they are still Amarr - that reduces the number of important region gates to 3. What also is limited is the number of constellation gates that lead to these region gate systems, which are even easier to camp.



That is a wrong assumption.Campers of important and popular routes don't disperse around just because there are more low sec systems around. Hier is a prime example for that: It is the choke point to deeper Aridia and when TEST was living there and used this route to get to Fountain it was this system that was constantly camped and no other system, because this system promises the best chances to catch a lot of people and get kills. That is what people want, nothing else. More low sec just means that more people potentially can live there and camp more gates more effectively.

You cannot access all high sec safely even today. Study the map better.

There is already enough risk vs. no reward in this sector. Yay, we need even more of that.

You forget over your local resources that you need resources from all over the universe to produce things. That is CCP's way to balance things in industry already, Making it even harder to bring them to other regions is unnecessary.
Besides, local resources already sell cheap; what matters are resources that are not local and that cannot be made locally.

It's not the reward that keep people in HIghsec, it's the constant hassle of low sec.

Turns out people don't like playing the victim, and that nature of EVE PvP turns those interested in PvE activities into victims.

The costs associated with being able to effectively and productively operate in low sec are too annoying and completely unfun for the kind of people that pirates like to victimize. It's not even about the ISK cost... it's about the sit around with a fleet of escorts doing whatever, waiting to be attacked. It's dumb.

EVE PvP forces people not interested in doing it to stop playing the game until those that are interested in it decide to stop holding their gameplay hostage. EVE is a game. Games are meant to be fun. For the sort of people that pirates like to hunt, being a victim isn't fun. So we don't do it, and won't do it regardless of the rewards for doing so. The vast majority would rather quit and find another game to play than be forced to play helpless victim or ship spin until the pirates go away.

To be honest, there's really not much to do in low sec outside of the FW systems. Everything else is just meh. L5 missions don't matter to most people because of the requirements to do it. The mining is lame and extra risky. Basically nothing for a solo pilot to do except maybe some PI?

So currently going through low sec is a hassle because there's nothing there. Going to low and surviving and coming back is pretty lame. Most of the time there's nobody around anyways. And if there is usually its just a gate camp or someone docked up.

This is the reason low sec is a hassle. It's out of the way and there's nothing to do there. But if you put the empires around it, you'll find a good dynamic for low sec. A place where you have to brave for some goal. And getting across it is a success and there's a bit of exhilaration especially for a new player just going through it. No more deep plunge of no return for going into lowsec, you'll now have a light at the end of the tunnel.

There is one question i'd like to ask all the Doomsayers in this thread. A lot of you are saying that a change like this will make other people unsub, however which of you personally will be one of these unsubbers?

The only victims in eve are the people who don't learn from their mistakes. They are victims of their own hubris.

People successfully PVE in lowsec, nullsec, and wormhole space every day. It's not a hassle if you put a little *gasp* effort into learning how to play.

It's not about the existence of mechanics that allow you poor little lambs to get shot at, btw, it's the fact that you are simply not up to the task of actually bothering to defend yourselves, or fitting and flying your ships correctly.

And that's because highsec exists, so you never have to learn to do it right, ever, because the all powerful space police will defend you instead. Same reason why people cry about getting ganked there, because they think that they shouldn't have to get shot at if they don't want to. Well, you're wrong.

Oh, and EVE is a PvP game first, last, and always. If you don't like that, feel free to go play Star Trek, because that game doesn't let the special snowflakes get shot at. If you're going to pretend like you're playing a single player game anyway, might as well do it in a game that facilitates that kind of malapropism.