Player Features and Ideas Discussion

vote OP to be on the csm

The year is 1943. The location: St Petersburg. The great armies of the Third Reich and the Red Army face off across no-mans land. On the German side, barely 100 yards back, you can buy a wiener schnitzel or schwiene haxen and dine in great Bavarian bier halle, while dreaming of buying the new Volkswagen. On the Russian side you can eat pirogi, drink horseradish vodka, and dream of not being sent to Siberia. All is at peace.

You drive to the checkpoint on the front lines. It is manned by League of nations police. As long as you don't randomly headshot or stab a random passerby, neither the Germans nor the Russians nor the League of Nations police will attack you. If you do headshot a random passey, you will be killed by ninjas or maybe drop bears.

Yeah. Makes sense!

The flaw in the idea is easy to see.

The entire concept relies on the assumption that being victimized is somehow fun for someone other than the mouth breathing baby eaters doing the victimizing.

This won't create any more targets, it will just force prices to rise universally as all shipments are either guarded or run with more expensive ships. That's why there are hordes of bored campers on all the lowsec pipes now... They have ruined any real profit potential, and most of EVE simply avoids them now. This change would simply restrict trade to machocists who don't mind dying defenselessly, or to those who can keep the pirates off. The vast majority of those who find fun in profiting off trade would do something else or just quit.

The changes to lowsec that would get bears in there involve there being some way to secure their safety so they can do what they want to do (protip: they don't find it fun to be hunted to extinction), not limiting their options to force them into being targets. As much of that fun revolves around making profit, limiting their potential for profit while making them a Target at the same time makes the game as a whole less fun for them.

I understand that the pirate finds it fun to attack defenseless ships for profit, and if they can ruin someone else's time online in the process that is just a bonus. Most of their targets do not find this sort of game play fun, and restricting their options to pressure them into it will only cause them to leave the game entirely rather than accepting a role as your prey.

Perhaps CCP should just implement NPC freighters that bleat in local when shot for the pirates to prey upon, with the value of their cargoes decreasing in systems where they die more, and increasing in systems where they die less to encourage the "pirates" to move around and hunt rather than sit and camp. All the better if the NPC freighters sometimes spawn NPC mercy escorts, with the strength of the escort being determined by the value of the cargo being protected. This would give them their easy, defenseless targets for profit spiced with tears, and maybe encourage a few more souls to try and enter lowsec space where the gankers have moved off to more profitable hunting grounds.

Your assumption runs on the assumption that gate camps are totally unavoidable and that it isn't interesting to outwit and evade someone for profit. Also you assume that people who like to pvp and are not risk averse would not make use of this to make profit. Your only a defenseless cargo ship if you go in without defenses, so if your badger keeps exploding, maybe ask your corp mates to watch your back and it will be less likely to explode. Adequate numbers of routes in lowsec would make gate camping inefficient and it more worthwhile to chase somene anyway. The only people who would be caught are mouth breathers without a d-scan to evade smartbombs or friends.
Also carebears are not being forced to go into lowsec with this change, its not like they move around much anyway unless they are playing afk in a freighter.

Also it's really easy to do things in low sec safely due to two pretty much all powerful intel tools: Local and your dscan, use them and you should never be caught ever. Things that just make carebears invulnerable because they is to scured are just silly.

Also how do prices rise universally if production remains exactly the same? Ya see if the empires arent importing things, that means they arent exporting either. Any price increases for items will be met by price decreases for other items that will vary depending on your location.

Also High sec to high sec connections will still exist that a freighter can fit in. So in fact you will still be able to trade 100% safely but less boring.

Moving something from one place to another is only important if the area in question can't build its own resources. Basically most industrialists try their hardest to cluster close to jita which reduces the ability for other hubs to compete. So the current system sucks for people who don't live in caldari space. The only things that will increase in price are things that are not build locally. A minmatar shipyard will probably be in minmatar space due to the abundance of the appropriate minerals so minmatar ships will be cheaper for noobs in their starting area. So all price increases will be met with appropriate price decreases. If prices increase then more miners would probably afk mine to compensate probably, but the only economic activity that would decrease is the massive move of everything to jita and the occasional move out of jita in order to sell **** for higher prices somewhere else.

The need for a noob to go to the other side of empire space is small. If their RL friends want a player to move from his starting location to another empire, crossing in a noob ship or pod is very viable, especially if enough routes are added so that not everywhere is camped.

Cloaky haulers can easily evade all gatecamps. However many will die because people are stupid and won't bother to know where the hellcamp of all hellcamps is or use their dscan to see a smartbomb camp ahead of time.
Multiple options will exist for traders. Their are fairly common high sec- high sec connections that can fit two freighters. This will allow industrious traders who aren't afk at the keyboard to move goods between empires safely.

If I cyno at a POS and me and collaborators are the only people who know about the incoming cyno I can have a bumping mach on standby to get my ship in the shields with one good whack before a interceptor even shows up. Also if large organizations fought over pos towers in low sec that would achieve the intended goal of making lowsec worth something. Goons would not be the only power block willing to fight over these towers. Not to mention titan doomsdays and bubbles do not work in empire space so that means that smaller capitals will be more viable. If appropriate changes or additions were made to the hauler and freighter classes a large fleet could conceivably escourt groups of ships between empires and be nimble or have enough hitpoints in armor/shields to not die instantly and have logistics support. Such gangs could conceivably consist of 10 pilots if the new haulers were nimble enough. Also the costs and logistics of using cynos to constantly move back and forth supercaps from the heart of empire to your own territory would put a strain on even the most dedicated nerds. Low security space also takes away the use of jump bridges to easily get to your titan jump bridge. The goons would have a harder time using their massive weight of numbers unless they setup a permanent contingent in empire space which would be cool if their was actual fighting in null.

why not just take a few corp-mates, or the whole corp... find the system(s) of your target for trading routes... setup a base of operations. war-dec the people in the system [bypassing all issues with CONCORD/HS] then run an interdiction campaign against them, and in Dec, bounty them also if an option...etc...

This you could do right now with existing mechanics... why not this? rather than changing the maps and all that?

agreed whats the point in having cloaking abilities on haulers if u never need to use them,

Most 0.0 fleets use a variety of the ships belonging to the different races. Their costs would each be different in each empire depending on the home race. Now considering that those things would no longer be the best price in jita in all cases it would
expected that markets in places like rens would expand. These expanded markets would also bring in goods from t2 equipment builders to help service people who just bought their ships. The end result is all 5 hubs are mostly equal and any nullsec alliance would no longer have to go just to jita, they would go to the hub that is closest to them. As for buying ships, i don't think having to go a couple extra jumps in your jump freighter would be that much of a deal breaker.


Difference between eve and the real world is that most place in eve are fairly equal. The veldspar quality in the forge is no different than in domain. Any price spike means a massive opportunity for people to start taking bigger risks to get their stuff over to another hub. Suddenly trade is a massively profitable business, red frog industries and the like become fabulously rich for all their hard work and everyone is happy.



No easier than it already is in high security space. Freighters can still use high sec to high sec connections or introduce a new freighter class with more hp, less cargo, and that is more nimble and can easily be supported by logistics vessels.




Jita has the best prices.The problem of one hub is already in effect. I think around 90% of all transactions happen in jita. The reason? Because jita is jita. Traders wouldn't mind having to go to different regions because they would make more isk. I would love to have the traffic of jita be divided evenly among the 5 hubs.
It would be silly to think if importing were harder that jita could maintain its massive monopoly over trade. It would rapidly run out of adequate supplies for 2k people, the single station traders would start to spread out, and null alliances would simply use the hub that is the closest one.

Yes, and there could be 1 blend of gasoline. My point, which you missed, is that having regional blends results in higher prices and price volatility. Economically, these are not "good things".




I don't see it as a problem. You are assuming it is a problem...i.e. you are making a problem out of a non-problem. Just because you don't "like it" doesn't make it a problem.

It still wont be worth fighting over. There might be instances that are worthy of ganks using supers, but they wont be trying to control the low sec system(s). Let me paint the scenario with more detail.

You are going to cyno in to a "safe harbor". You have your mach for bumping. But Alliance XYZ has noticed your activities. They've been watching and waiting. Now they are ready to pounce. They have a recon ship logged near where you cyno in at. You log in your characters and light the cyno, the recon logs in and lands as shortly after your JF jumps in. He tries to lock up the JF, but fails due to your awesome bumping. But he gets the mach and says, good enough and pops a cyno and in come the supers and a few other caps and pop your cyno.

Unbeknownst to the first alliance a second alliance has noticed the activity gets a cyno pilot in there and cynos in their supers and caps and the fun starts.

Now, are they fighting in low sec? Sure. Are they fighting over low sec? No. When the fun is done they'll both bunk off to whatever part of Null they call home. The victor might RF your tower for ***** and giggles and if you try to rep it come back and try to kill your repping fleet and failing that the tower itself.

But in the end they still wont give a sh*t about low sec. Why? Because low sec sucks. Making more of something that sucks isn't going to make it better, it will just make more of New Eden suck.