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Separate the four empires with low security space.

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1021 - 2013-10-05 08:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
Joe Risalo wrote:
Mr Barbeque wrote:
"Many people will rage quit." Fair point worth consideration. I believe for every account that rage unsubs because life just got harder would be replaced by people seeing those succeeding in a more tumultuous environment, and wishing in on that more dynamic experience. No stats, simply my opinion.



In my opinion it is more likely that CCP would bring in more subs if they made things in Eve safer.
Would draw more of a crowd from other "safe" style MMOs, and provides a bigger crowd.




*snip* There are too many *snip* in eve already.

Bad language fixed!
ISD dosnix
Gorr Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#1022 - 2013-10-05 08:48:06 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Gorr Shakor wrote:

What difference would that make? Right now you undock, wait out the few seconds timer and jump. As soon as we are not allowed to jump JFs FROM highsec, simply jump to LS, hold cloak while you wait out the session timer, drop gate cloak and jum p. The chance of getting caught is minuscule.


You obviously didn't read the post. The idea would be to forbid jumping in and out of lowsec also.


Right, I obviously did not.
However, what you are saying is 'make JFs 0.0 only'. Following that logic, all jump capable ships should be 0.0 only. Is this what you are saying?
Randy Wray
Warcrows
Sedition.
#1023 - 2013-10-05 15:54:57 UTC
It might be a little late but, both as a trader and a pvper, I fully endorse this idea. It would vastly improve my game.

Solo Pvper in all areas of space including wormhole space. Check out my youtube channel @ http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd6M3xV43Af-3E1ds0tTyew/feed for mostly small scale pvp in lowsec/nullsec

twitch.tv/randywray
Mr Barbeque
Mayhem and Ruin
#1024 - 2013-10-05 17:40:03 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Actually, what you just used as an example is more of an example of a criminal travelling through high sec, than a trader travelling through low sec.
In your example, Concord would be the attacking force, as they are the fuzz.

Yes it is closer to that in comparison, however my point was to show how trade does not require stability. All trade requires is incentive. Dangerous trade routes would mean some people may refuse to take said risk, resulting in more dynamic competition and more opportunities for those willing to accept the challenge.
Joe Risalo wrote:
IMO I still strongly feel that doing this would not bring anyone to take risks, and would instead split players apart, thus seeing less player driven combat in high sec.
I've actually done this myself.
We war decced a target, and he moved 25 jumps away out of caldari and into gallente.
I chased him down and destroyed a hulk, orca, and pod.

If high sec would have been split, he either would never have undocked during the dec, or he would possibly have made it across low sec, and i probably wouldn't have chased him down.

So there's an example of how the current design helps to increase high sec combat, force more market transactions, and drain some isk out of the economy..

Edit... the more people move around, the more potential for action there is in high sec.
If you split the factions, there's bound to be less travel, thus less action.

I'm sorry you wouldn't feel comfortable crossing lowsec to chase your target, but if you believe yourself superior to them (as you decced them i assume so) and they made it, why couldn't you?

Destabilization encourages diversification. Perhaps caldari space would be the most popular, market saturation and an over abundance of competition would result in less profit. Thus incentivizing the movement and diversification of players.
Joe Risalo wrote:
In my opinion it is more likely that CCP would bring in more subs if they made things in Eve safer.
Would draw more of a crowd from other "safe" style MMOs, and provides a bigger crowd.

Those "safe" style mmo's are a dime a dozen, eve's HTFU and otherwise harsh environment has always been a theme that sets it apart. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1025 - 2013-10-05 20:57:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Risalo
Mr Barbeque wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
Actually, what you just used as an example is more of an example of a criminal travelling through high sec, than a trader travelling through low sec.
In your example, Concord would be the attacking force, as they are the fuzz.

Yes it is closer to that in comparison, however my point was to show how trade does not require stability. All trade requires is incentive. Dangerous trade routes would mean some people may refuse to take said risk, resulting in more dynamic competition and more opportunities for those willing to accept the challenge.
Joe Risalo wrote:
IMO I still strongly feel that doing this would not bring anyone to take risks, and would instead split players apart, thus seeing less player driven combat in high sec.
I've actually done this myself.
We war decced a target, and he moved 25 jumps away out of caldari and into gallente.
I chased him down and destroyed a hulk, orca, and pod.

If high sec would have been split, he either would never have undocked during the dec, or he would possibly have made it across low sec, and i probably wouldn't have chased him down.

So there's an example of how the current design helps to increase high sec combat, force more market transactions, and drain some isk out of the economy..

Edit... the more people move around, the more potential for action there is in high sec.
If you split the factions, there's bound to be less travel, thus less action.

I'm sorry you wouldn't feel comfortable crossing lowsec to chase your target, but if you believe yourself superior to them (as you decced them i assume so) and they made it, why couldn't you?

Destabilization encourages diversification. Perhaps caldari space would be the most popular, market saturation and an over abundance of competition would result in less profit. Thus incentivizing the movement and diversification of players.
Joe Risalo wrote:
In my opinion it is more likely that CCP would bring in more subs if they made things in Eve safer.
Would draw more of a crowd from other "safe" style MMOs, and provides a bigger crowd.

Those "safe" style mmo's are a dime a dozen, eve's HTFU and otherwise harsh environment has always been a theme that sets it apart. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon


I agree with everything you said, but that doesn't make the game better to a large portion of players..
I would say that, at best, players are split 50-50 on this.If not 50-50, then there are probably more people against this, as there is a huge number of high sec players, and even low-null-wh players with high sec alts.

P.S> The forums are a very small portion of the Eve crowd that is vocal, and is thus not a representation of how the majority feels.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1026 - 2013-10-06 01:23:42 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

P.S> The forums are a very small portion of the Eve crowd that is vocal, and is thus not a representation of how the majority feels.


Irrelevant, it is still a statistical sample that probably with how the population feels, unless you can actually prove forum users are somehow different than other players.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1027 - 2013-10-06 01:37:10 UTC
Gorr Shakor wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Gorr Shakor wrote:

What difference would that make? Right now you undock, wait out the few seconds timer and jump. As soon as we are not allowed to jump JFs FROM highsec, simply jump to LS, hold cloak while you wait out the session timer, drop gate cloak and jum p. The chance of getting caught is minuscule.


You obviously didn't read the post. The idea would be to forbid jumping in and out of lowsec also.


Right, I obviously did not.
However, what you are saying is 'make JFs 0.0 only'. Following that logic, all jump capable ships should be 0.0 only. Is this what you are saying?


That would be ********....

Roll

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8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1028 - 2013-10-06 01:52:01 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:

P.S> The forums are a very small portion of the Eve crowd that is vocal, and is thus not a representation of how the majority feels.


Irrelevant, it is still a statistical sample that probably with how the population feels, unless you can actually prove forum users are somehow different than other players.


From my experience, most forum posters are pvp and low/null bears.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1029 - 2013-10-06 01:53:37 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

From my experience, most forum posters are pvp and low/null bears.


Most players are pvp players.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Regina Gerze
The Trinity Conglomerate
#1030 - 2013-10-06 01:56:36 UTC
Honestly, this is an AWFUL idea, absolutely horrid and everyone will hate it if CCP goes with it...the same this happened in MechWarrior Online, stop crying for things then cry when you get them. Am I jaded, cynical, being an idiot or all three? xD
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1031 - 2013-10-06 02:01:05 UTC
Regina Gerze wrote:
Honestly, this is an AWFUL idea, absolutely horrid and everyone will hate it if CCP goes with it...the same this happened in MechWarrior Online, stop crying for things then cry when you get them. Am I jaded, cynical, being an idiot or all three? xD

what does this have to do with mechwarrior and who is crying

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Regina Gerze
The Trinity Conglomerate
#1032 - 2013-10-06 02:06:28 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Regina Gerze wrote:
Honestly, this is an AWFUL idea, absolutely horrid and everyone will hate it if CCP goes with it...the same this happened in MechWarrior Online, stop crying for things then cry when you get them. Am I jaded, cynical, being an idiot or all three? xD

what does this have to do with mechwarrior and who is crying


Eh, I don't know...but it looks to be going the way of MechWarrior, the way of stupidity. You know what? I agree, but only if they add in a collectable animal or somethingOops I honestly need to take my medication so, night O-O
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#1033 - 2013-10-06 02:13:40 UTC
Regina Gerze wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
Regina Gerze wrote:
Honestly, this is an AWFUL idea, absolutely horrid and everyone will hate it if CCP goes with it...the same this happened in MechWarrior Online, stop crying for things then cry when you get them. Am I jaded, cynical, being an idiot or all three? xD

what does this have to do with mechwarrior and who is crying


Eh, I don't know...but it looks to be going the way of MechWarrior, the way of stupidity. You know what? I agree, but only if they add in a collectable animal or somethingOops I honestly need to take my medication so, night O-O


wtf just happened
Regina Gerze
The Trinity Conglomerate
#1034 - 2013-10-06 02:18:08 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
Regina Gerze wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
Regina Gerze wrote:
Honestly, this is an AWFUL idea, absolutely horrid and everyone will hate it if CCP goes with it...the same this happened in MechWarrior Online, stop crying for things then cry when you get them. Am I jaded, cynical, being an idiot or all three? xD

what does this have to do with mechwarrior and who is crying


Eh, I don't know...but it looks to be going the way of MechWarrior, the way of stupidity. You know what? I agree, but only if they add in a collectable animal or somethingOops I honestly need to take my medication so, night O-O


wtf just happened


Sad
Matthias Thullmann
Dynatron Inc.
#1035 - 2013-10-06 03:05:25 UTC
I should start a new thread "Separate the four empires space with nullsec". Big smile
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1036 - 2013-10-06 03:12:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Risalo
Matthias Thullmann wrote:
I should start a new thread "Separate the four empires space with nullsec". Big smile


Maybe we should separate the nulls with high
"It would create more dynamic gameplay"
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1037 - 2013-10-06 03:34:43 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

Maybe we should separate the nulls with high
"It would create more dynamic gameplay"


Everything would be exactly the same for everyone.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1038 - 2013-10-06 03:53:15 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:

Maybe we should separate the nulls with high
"It would create more dynamic gameplay"


Everything would be exactly the same for everyone.


Sure it would....
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1039 - 2013-10-06 03:55:32 UTC
Regina Gerze wrote:
Anomaly One wrote:
Regina Gerze wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
Regina Gerze wrote:
Honestly, this is an AWFUL idea, absolutely horrid and everyone will hate it if CCP goes with it...the same this happened in MechWarrior Online, stop crying for things then cry when you get them. Am I jaded, cynical, being an idiot or all three? xD

what does this have to do with mechwarrior and who is crying


Eh, I don't know...but it looks to be going the way of MechWarrior, the way of stupidity. You know what? I agree, but only if they add in a collectable animal or somethingOops I honestly need to take my medication so, night O-O


wtf just happened


Sad


Look she wants a cat...and to pose with horses...btf out of me what just happened. Just pretend it didn't happen. These are not the droids you are looking for....

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1040 - 2013-10-06 06:55:47 UTC
Commander Ted

though im not alien to the idea, i as i we mentioned in other threads, would more of like to see some kind of ability to temporailiy switch sysems to low, along the shipping lanes, maybe by pirates handing in pirate LP points or something, and it show on the star map that "system X" is under pirate attack and is now a 0.4 system with all its rules...

but if things get as you want Ted, and the four empires were to be separated with low, a few things would happen, first of all, there be a more direct trading hub in all four empires, wich is in a sense good... two those that can, will just set up jump clones and have their own base with ships in all four empires, and then they will just jump with clones between their bases and use each trade hub in each empire, what you look for wont happen, people that dont want to pvp wont pvp, its as simple as that, no matter what you do, they will find ways to avoid it, im sorry