Player Features and Ideas Discussion

@Rammix

Yes I'm an alt. This is a forum I'm free to do so.
But sorry if this disappoints you. I do not know the topic starter nor am I him?! ( LOL )

I just like his idea.

Without being a flaming baby I'll just say, that you obviously didn't READ or (TRY TO) UNDERSTAND my post.
Which I even pretty politely asked imo, but anyways. I'll try one more time.

This whole topic is suggesting CHANGE.

So you would have to look at the situation from a DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE as I wrote in my previous post.

I tried to suggest or offer you a different perspective on which you could then form your own opinion.
I never even asked you to agree.

The different perspective was the concept of 4 factions 4 empires. You still look at it the way it is now. 1 empire.
Ignoring the whole IDEA of the change the topic is TRYING to suggest. Good or bad.
You didn't even try to see it the way I wrote it.

Periphery is not a political thing. And I NEVER SAID OR SUGGESTED that.

I suggested if you look at empires IN GENERAL, they usually are CENTRALISED. Without a centre there is no periphery.
If FOUR empires have FOUR cores, the routes BETWEEN them could very plausibly be peripheries as they are between large, non-dense countries. I don't think space which consists of near infinite times nothing compared to something/matter by definition even in EVE would be densely populated...
Nor is every system in hisec equally densely populated. There are definitely (some) lowsec systems that are busier than (some) hisec systems.

With wormholes I meant DIRECT wormholes btw, not so much risk in those... (as in the opening post)
CCP obviously has the ability to create more of those if that would be good for gameplay / the working of the game.

It's ok if you don't like the idea, but don't respond from your own perspective misunderstanding mine after I just explained it and how it is different.

Finally



I'm open to suggestions and discussions..
YOU are the one that doesn't seem to respect or even try to understand my view. I'm only trying to discuss stuff and say how I see it. I'm not shooting your opinion down or childishly calling me the topic starters alt.
Since that's kind of lame..

Don't twist my words, and don't participate in a discussion if you don't want to listen to the others. It's not constructive.

It's funny how the coin has turned, as you (Rammix) and myself are shooting an idea down, much as we've seen ideas we like shot down in the same way with all the same reasons we're giving from the very same people that are defending this idea.

That said....

I highly doubt CCP is looking at this thread with serious consideration.

1) It's costly on their part to do this
2) it's time consuming for them to do
3) It's already working the way it is
4) Potential loss of subs
5) Potential to completely F up the markets in Eve

6) Extremely biased towards a small group of people (a lot more high sec players than low sec gankers)



This is what I'm getting at when I say that for CCP to change something so game changing, you'll have to give them an unquestionable NEED to do so.


This isn't an unbalanced ship, it's not a glitch, it's not some game breaking mechanic.
It is the way it was intended to be.

So again, if you want CCP to take the risks, costs, and time to make a change like this, then you'll have to give them an unquestionable reason why it has to change.

I've been a long time fan of this Idea and the idea of making more practically seperated areas of so called Hi-Sec. I've got my Orien island and I'm happy there and like it for what it is. Would be nice to have some more of that sort of thing and some larger islands of this Hi-Sec also.

I just see doing this as making small, but well defined and potentially more stable, local economic environments :- this would offer more opportunities to those industrialists who would take the extra risk of crossing lo-sec.

For Example. If I notice an opportunity somewhere in HighSec - to exploit an apparent local demand for something that isn't in supply. . . Then everyone in hi-sec will have no issue in also feeding that demand. There is no obstacle to differenciate between players, because there is no risk. If the area or demand was seperated by lo-sec. . . . Then currently hardly any hi-sec people step up to the challenge of supplying that demand. Currently the hi-sec islands are so small that the demand isn't that great and you easily saturate the small markets. Because less people will be prepared to supply these types of demand then trading gains immediatly some more game play, (as a by-product so do pirates), but being as the most demand is for consumables, (faction cap and ammo), a blockade runner is a strong option, etc, etc.

I see no reason why this** would take away from High-sec only traders as they will be able to do as they do currently - it just gives us some new communities with a different set of logistical problems to play with in terms of supplying them.

** I don't advocate a full seperation of empire now - as this would hurt people who don't want to change. But adding new areas of high sec island would potentially add to the game - at least the above.

Honestly - Orien is fun. Cost of living is higher. Demand outstrips supply - to the point where Rens is the only option because the local trade hub will never have everything you want - so you have to make the trip to Rens anyway - and if you are doing this you might as well buy it all cheaper at Rens. . .But Ammo is an option still. If more traders were selling stuff at Orien then they might be able to sell more stuff for more because people might say, "I'll just buy it all here because Rens is an hour's round trip - so that's worth the extra I pay". And why do they do that? Because Null sec is 3 jumps away from the Orien Island, PI and Exploration pays mega bucks and an hour's worth of sites might make you much more than you would save on the time taken to fly to Rens. Currently the Island isn't big enough to have sufficient population to support a full market.

So I'd just love to see - maybe just as an experiment - if CCP made a couple of 10 system islands. Just new ones. Don't have to go there if you don't want to. Make then on-the-way to Null. And just see what happens.

P.S.

Why has no one mentioned pirate factions having high sec Islands?

I mean, you would think the pirates would be able to lock down a secure spot for themselves, seperate for anyone else.

THAT would be the type of place where people would want to take the risks to get there and trade there.

Exactly - but my experiances with Orien make me think we'd need a decent sized area to hold enough interest to maintain a large enough population to allow a large enough local economy to develop a fully functional local market enough to make interesting things happen. Wow I used "enough" enough times in that sentance!!!

I agree with this.

I am actually in the process of writing an essay suggesting some changes to the game, and this is included in it.

Humanity has a natural instinct to cluster.

"Many people will rage quit." Fair point worth consideration. I believe for every account that rage unsubs because life just got harder would be replaced by people seeing those succeeding in a more tumultuous environment, and wishing in on that more dynamic experience. No stats, simply my opinion.

Trade does not require stable and safe routes. Many examples are present, one very apparent is today's black markets. Marijuana is illegal in the US, therefore does not have stable routes by which to come from. Shipments can be confiscated, "employees" arrested or otherwise removed from your workforce/distribution network, ect. Yet it is so readily available to any who seek it. Its increased difficulty to acquire bottlenecks supply, increasing the profit gained from supplying the unbalanced demand. Making it an attractive option to those willing to run the risk for that reward.

Destabilizing the markets is the point, as static gameplay is boring.

No, it absolutely is not realism.
There are no declared wars between factions, and there CAN'T be war zones between them. All systems of so called faction warfare are less needed systems where concord has less control - and concord has less control there because that systems are somewhat distant from central routes and play no sensible role in politics.
Every system in the core of empire space was disputed long ago and what could be divided (because needed) between factions - was divided between them long time ago. So bordelines in the centre are NOT disputed, there is no conflict for them and there is NO reason to make factions start all-in wars again.


Answered to this nonsense, read above.


Eve is a sandbox. CCP doesn't and shouldn't mess with it like "with god's hand", unless it is absolutely objectively needed. Eve universe should evolve on itself, with some impact from player actions in-game; relying on the basis it's built on.

In short, don't touch the basis when you can avoid it.

have to quote myself to make an offtopic
BTW, ccp are going to introduce portable short-range cynos. Maybe I even guessed its range right. Of course if they allow it in lowsec (I think they should).