Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't see why incursions are a problem if the empires are separated by lowsec. If you're a professional incursion runner and you don't like flying a pimped ship in lowsec, surely you'll just fit out 4 incursion ships and keep one in each trade hub?

Or you can use wormholes to get from empire to empire (as can traders...).

It's just not a problem.

The separation of empires with lowsec absolutely has to happen. It will create real price discrepancies, read trade opportunities, and real reasons to have industrial fleets guarded by gunships.

As for mission runners getting from empire to empire to keep their standings even, they can use a shuttle or a noobship can't they?

Because some mission runners grow up and become wormhole dwellers, and they value the freedom of being able to dock and trade wherever their wormhole happens to open up.

I am such a player. I was once -7 to amarr empire because I did not realise the impact of offing thousands of amarr military ships while running federation navy missions. Selling goods in Amarr (the best hub for wormhole salvage) was an utter ballache.

This thread is an interesting thought experiment, but there is pretty much zero chance that this will be implemented, because it would cause at least 10% of the player base to unsub if they could no longer travel freely between empires. For every gate camper salivating at this idea, there are five high sec residents who would hate to be forced into non-consensual pvp.

Many of these players only play a couple hours per week and are not active on the forums, so you don't notice them much, but they are important for financing Eve's further development efforts. Especially, because they actually pay for their accounts instead of plexing them.

The separation of the empires creates a very unfriendly game atmosphere overall, and that not only for new players with low skill points, but for everybody. The districts between empires would be utterly infested with pirates - which by itself is a disgusting idea to support alltogether.

I just wonder how low-SP players, who start running the Epic arc missions (The Blood-Stained Stars) are supposed to travel through the four empires, while year-old and advanced pirates camp the gates between empires.
Or how friends from all four empires, who just find themselves online at a particular moment can just find together to have good time for an hour or two.

EVE Online is a MMO game and it seeks to bring people together, and not to separate them. EVE Online seeks to unite players from all over the world from all four empires and desires to create a good and healthy community. Is the separation of the empires contributing to this mindset somehow? - Of course not. The contrary is the case.

The idea of separating the empires is not new. CCP had this idea already and it was reality in the game. CCP replaced this nonsensical idea through that what we have today. And nobody with common sense will turn back to the vomit of the past that he left behind.

I am utterly disgusted by piracy, isolation, separation, and darkness and seek light, peace, joy, righteousness, and unity.

1. Yea lets all make drum circles and sing kumbayah while we mine. Challenges bring people together, not having **** to do but sit around and do nothing doesn't and just makes people quit the game, like most noobs who start playing Eve, run missions and get bored out of there skulls and quit the game forever. In fact I know for certain that through war decing corps in hisec, I have preserved subscriptions. I know of at least 10 people I war deced who I encouraged to do the exact same thing and keep playing instead of quitting because there corp taught them to do nothing but be bored. In fact, hisec has the least interaction between players of any region of space BECAUSE THERE IS NO REASON TO. There is nothing I can do with the help of another player that would be more easily and profitably accomplished with another alt.

2. Why would low SP players need to go between empires? Also the epic mission arc can easily be retooled/ sucks anyway.

3. Eve is a multiplayer COMPETITIVE game. Players form groups for the purpose of overcoming obstacles created by other groups of players. Ya know your spaceship has GUNS on it for a reason. Players get the trial for eve because they find out about billion isk scams, betrayal, and interstellar wars, not because mining sounds exciting. Low sec is a place where players can more easily form obstacles to be beaten. Players are there to shoot you, its up to you to see if you can beat them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq2oxt7Nrxo
CCP agrees with me on this, I play Eve because I want to beat other players, not because I just want to sit around and circle jerk in space.

4. CCP had this idea when the game had 10k players and you couldn't warp to 0 on a gate. That was 10 years ago and the idea was barely even tested.



Maybe the game for you is second life so you can frolic with furries. Let me play my masochistic , misogynist , hyper competitive, sandbox game, where I can do what I want to other people and if they don't like it they can HTFU and fight back or GTFO.

Unless someone scans you down and steals the Damsel away before you can rescue her. I would never do that to someone, honest...

@ Comment #850, the OP.

Factional Warfare has been created for people who seek to have an introduction to PvP on one hand and or are fairly experienced players already on the other hand. Factional warfare is available from day 1, available to anybody, and one does not need much skilltraining to join it. Furthermore, it is not even required to be highly skilled or to fly expensive ships. It is even recommended to fly frigates and destroyers. Fairly quickly you make friends and form fleets, be it through the militia channel, simply through the fleetfinder, or more likely right on the field. Just fit a ship and go out and have fun. Factional warfare offers arena-like fights, and one can chose to warp in the plex to fight or not. Factional warfare has been designed to introduce players to PvP, and it is a very nice concept and I appreciate it a lot.

Now notice this, CCP does not pursue piracy as the core motive for PvP, and as a matter of fact, NULLSEC is the only area where "lawlessness" is even allowed. Lowsec means that CONCORD has no mobile strikeforce active, however though, the law runs and the stationary weapons at gates and stations are in position and they shoot at all those who break the law of CONCORD. That's why you get punished by getting your security status being lowered, and when you break the law way too often and get a too low security status, then you will find yourself pretty much banned out of all empires.

I just checked your security status and your employment history, its currently at -1.6, thus you are a criminal, and I cannot even count how often you changed the corporations since 2009, currently in an NPC corp again.
In MMO's, or in general in life, one tries to find a group of people with same ideas, goals and intentions and makes the decision to stick with that group, to form harmony, trust, and deep friendship, and one leaves the corp when compromises become impossible. All your corporation jumpings just tell me that you have not really found a goal and peace in the game, and that you are still searching. You seem to be bitter and you want to enforce your bitterness upon others, by dragging them into fighting you, using wardecs against to yourself unknown corporations and what not and call this "competetive play".
Well, you have a negative security status, and all that comes through breaking the law as a criminal.

The "competition" and action you will find in nullsec, where alliances live in a constant state of war and spend billions on a single day during a battle.
The idea of separating the empires does not lead to "competition". Its intention is to grief, harass, and to cause inconveniences, to bring chaos and lawlessness upon New Eden, and to dispower CONCORD and its noble values.

To 1)
First of all, I don't like you calling players noobs just because they do not do what you want nor like.
Furthermore, you just found 10 like-minded people in the game whom you kept in, that's all, and you griefed lets say at least 20 others who left the game because they did not want to play a "griefer game".
All your actions have consequences, and pirates and criminals cause more harm than good, if any, and only for themselves.
And to be honest, there is nothing honorable in that what you do; you wardec corporations in highsec that are even unknown to you, just in order to grief them. Highsec wardec's for the "legal" PvP are nothing new.

I have friends who come back from work and ENJOY mining for two hours in peace of highsec. It gives them a good feeling and they relax by doing so. Mining is like fishing and it's VERY RELAXING. It might be unthinkable to you, but some people are just not interested in PvP and just want to sit in an asteroid belt and mine.
After 4 days in the game I was recruited into an industrial corp and I had one of my best days in EVE back then, yes priceless days. We all just met and mined together and we had such great time chatting for hours and days. Wardecs and ganks would have at least ruined me, for I started with 5000 ISK and had nothing.

To 2)
The purpose of the Blood-Stained Stars Epic Arc is to familiarize the new players with the game, game mechanics, and the four empires in New Eden in more detail, all packed in a story, told through subsequent missions. I finished the tutorial missions and started the Epic Arc missions in Arnon right away. A new player seeks PvE, stories, and information about the game and the environment, that is normal.

To 3)
You are misunderstanding "competetive play".
The first linked video, Causality, describes the story of two "competing" Mega-Alliances warring over entire nullsec constellations.
The second linked video, The Butterfly Effect, describes the term "Sandbox", EVE's trademark, to a broad and uninformed audience (it is a Machinima presentation) by again telling the story of two "competing" nullsec Mega-Alliances.
This is just what I already wrote above, i.e. "competition" you find in nullsec, in such mega-alliances that control large nullsec-areas (where the law of CONCORD is not running). Thus, its the alliances that set up laws and rules, valid in their territory.
"Competitive" play you find in "alliance tournaments".
"Competetive" play you find between Mega-Alliances, who fight over constellations, vast resources, and spend billions in the twinkling of an eye.
"Competetive play" has nothing to do with small scale PvP at high->lowsec gate camps, stations and plex-gates, where pilots have some fun with 10 million ISK frigates for the lulz. "Competetive play" has to do with politics and a lot of ISK and real money, and especially time in NULLSEC.

To 4)
I argued above and in former posts why this idea is nonsense, and CCP did not need much testing to come to the conclusion that the empire separation was just simply a bad idea.

CCP already tried this before.

Can you think of a reason why the game is not like that anymore ?
Can you give a reason or two why CCP changed it to the current system we have now ?

When they tried it before (10 years ago) there were not enough people or the means to fully benefit from the situation.

The current state of EVE is very much able to support this system at this time.

To say CCP already tried this before is like saying Blizzard already tried having a deep and intricate skill system for Diablo 3. (they originally came out with the system that Path of Exile has now but changed it in early development)

CCP games in general are fairly unique. They seem to be brought out of official Beta testing years before they actually come out of functional Beta testing. Was EVE a complete game 10 years ago when this feature was changed?

Do not feed the troll.