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Separate the four empires with low security space.

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#701 - 2013-07-06 17:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Paiel Saavuj wrote:

YOU NEED TO REPEAT EVERYTHING I SAID BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY JUST SAW



Your post is adjacent to mine, stop whining that I have the manners to not quote the entire thing, its like when your the first person who responds to a thread and the OP is 2 pages long but you see the need to quote him. If I were truly trivializing them I wouldn't respond at all or only quote them as TL;DR.

Anyway if you can't kill someone on gate easily then how are you supposed to hunt down targets? Hope they warp to a belt?
Having gatecamps is partly the point, as they lead to higher forms of pvp.

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Paiel Saavuj
Saavuj Industries
#702 - 2013-07-06 18:00:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Paiel Saavuj
Editting because I don't want to be like Ted.


Here's the gist:
Gatecamps are the barrier to entering lowsec. Lower the barrier, and more people will play in lowsec. Oh look, the barges & ratters have a better chance at getting to the belts? Let's go find some! Think it through before you have a raar gatecamp pirate moment.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#703 - 2013-07-06 18:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Paiel Saavuj wrote:
Ya, not sure why I'd post in a topic started/frequented by you. You don't give honest consideration to anyone who's ideas don't agree 100% with yours. Keep your fingers in your ears towards dissenting opinions & compromises, keep being rude. Keep up the current stereotype of the low-sec frequenter. The gatecampers will love you, and they make up a larger portion of the game than any other subset, right?


TLDR I can do it too: "Nyahnyah I can't hear you."


Honest consideration means not saying what I think?
Are you just ignoring the part where I responded to what you said?

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Paiel Saavuj
Saavuj Industries
#704 - 2013-07-06 18:04:21 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Paiel Saavuj wrote:
Ya, not sure why I'd post in a topic started/frequented by you. You don't give honest consideration to anyone who's ideas don't agree 100% with yours. Keep your fingers in your ears towards dissenting opinions & compromises, keep being rude. Keep up the current stereotype of the low-sec frequenter. The gatecampers will love you, and they make up a larger portion of the game than any other subset, right?


TLDR I can do it too: "Nyahnyah I can't hear you."


Honest consideration means not saying what I think?
Are you just ignoring the part where I responded to what you said?


Nope, just suggesting this thing called 'tact' when you're wanting people to radically change their gamestyle to fit you.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#705 - 2013-07-06 18:09:55 UTC
Paiel Saavuj wrote:


Nope, just suggesting this thing called 'tact' when you're wanting people to radically change their gamestyle to fit you.


Fallacy of tone

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Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
#706 - 2013-07-06 18:25:45 UTC
I can't be bothered to read the whole thread at this point (I just woke up), but I will say that I support this idea...

...especially since I proposed the exact same thing on at least two separate occasions in the last 8 years. Pirate
Ewersmen
Perkone
Caldari State
#707 - 2013-07-07 01:30:24 UTC
Lol what's wrong with you people ...give them a chance to track the people down ...wont force them into low sec lol ....are you people ******** ....People do not want to go in low sec because they will get constantly killed lol ....someone kills me I make no profit ....................................PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO LOW SEC CAUSE ITS FULL OF A*S*S*H*O*L*E*S....END OF STORY ...
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#708 - 2013-07-07 01:38:18 UTC
Ewersmen wrote:
Lol what's wrong with you people ...give them a chance to track the people down ...wont force them into low sec lol ....are you people ******** ....People do not want to go in low sec because they will get constantly killed lol ....someone kills me I make no profit ....................................PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO LOW SEC CAUSE ITS FULL OF A*S*S*H*O*L*E*S....END OF STORY ...


are you a troll? This post reads like a troll post. It's pretty bad.

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Ewersmen
Perkone
Caldari State
#709 - 2013-07-07 01:49:01 UTC
Not a troll ...its the truth .....people like you think there gonna get an endless stream of newbies in there low sec system ...so they can say i'm sooo awesome lol
NO JUST no ....I am not a troll I am human:)
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#710 - 2013-07-07 01:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Ewersmen wrote:
Not a troll ...its the truth .....people like you think there gonna get an endless stream of newbies in there low sec system ...so they can say i'm sooo awesome lol
NO JUST no ....I am not a troll I am human:)

Your constant use of ........ and broken thought patterns in the text say otherwise.

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Ewersmen
Perkone
Caldari State
#711 - 2013-07-07 02:08:23 UTC
Thought patterns lol ...face it commander ted this is a bad idea .
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#712 - 2013-07-07 04:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Ewersmen wrote:
Thought patterns lol ...face it commander ted this is a bad idea .


The very way you organize what your saying makes little sense. Maybe instead of ... you should find out what a comma is.

Really I have figured out what your saying despite being very poorly worded is that pvp players are assholes in a pvp centric game. Which really isn't a very good point, your just angry that your unable to avoid dying in a game where one of the primary selling points is to kill, and feel that it is not your fault.

Also are you just saying this because u mad about loosing a billion isk navy caracal?

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Dave stark
#713 - 2013-07-07 06:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Commander Ted wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i'll be honest, personally the idea would just add inconvenience and tedium for no reward.

instead of moving 1 ship i'd have to purchase multiple ships, one in each of the now high sec islands, and get to them via a ship that won't get ganked as soon as i try to move between the different areas of high sec... it's just going to to be tedious and boring for no real reason other than because some one thinks it'd be "cool".

but hey if people want to add boring and uninteresting features, go for it.

More pvp= tedious and boring

Also the point is to make moving ships an infrequent event.


making each empire a high sec island doesn't guarantee more pvp. people who do not want to pvp will not pvp not matter what you do. people who stay in high sec (pretty much like me) do not have an interest in pvp.

also yes, more pvp = tedious and boring for people who find it tedious and boring. which are, most of the people who primarily live in high sec because... that's why they live in high sec. so yes in this specific case more pvp is tedious and boring. even for the pvpers it's the case. look at uedama etc where the suicide gankers have to think about their targets and select them with some level of care where as if it was a 0.4 system they could just shoot everything without a care in the world... i know which one sounds more interesting. (tip, it's the one where you have to think instead of mindlessly hitting f1 every time the gate flashes)

here's exactly what will happen. people will put 1 jump clone in every empire and never travel through low sec anyway. which just adds a 24 hour cooldown between moving from 1 area of empire to another. so, where's your "more pvp"? i'm unconvinced it's there.
Rengas
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#714 - 2013-07-07 10:16:42 UTC
Ewersmen wrote:
Lol what's wrong with you people ...give them a chance to track the people down ...wont force them into low sec lol ....are you people ******** ....People do not want to go in low sec because they will get constantly killed lol ....someone kills me I make no profit ....................................PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO LOW SEC CAUSE ITS FULL OF A*S*S*H*O*L*E*S....END OF STORY ...

I assume you're talking about this gem of a fit?
Selexim
DNS Requiem
#715 - 2013-07-07 11:21:17 UTC


All i could see that doing is making it a lot harder for newer players to get into trading, while allowing experienced players who have access to jump freighters to make more isk (as trading would lessen allowing them to exploit prices more).

While I personally could get around it using my Ark, its not something I would like to see as I like to help new pilots getting into trade and industry so they have the isk to blow on PvP, and this would hurt their ability to do so.

Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#716 - 2013-07-07 12:06:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Selexim wrote:


All i could see that doing is making it a lot harder for newer players to get into trading, while allowing experienced players who have access to jump freighters to make more isk (as trading would lessen allowing them to exploit prices more).

While I personally could get around it using my Ark, its not something I would like to see as I like to help new pilots getting into trade and industry so they have the isk to blow on PvP, and this would hurt their ability to do so.



1.Get a badger
2. find a scout
3.?????
4. Profit
or
1. Get a covops
2.???
3.Profit
or
1. Get a badger
2. Scan a wormhole
3.?????
4. Profit

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#717 - 2013-07-07 12:08:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Dave Stark wrote:


making each empire a high sec island doesn't guarantee more pvp. people who do not want to pvp will not pvp not matter what you do. people who stay in high sec (pretty much like me) do not have an interest in pvp.

also yes, more pvp = tedious and boring for people who find it tedious and boring. which are, most of the people who primarily live in high sec because... that's why they live in high sec. so yes in this specific case more pvp is tedious and boring. even for the pvpers it's the case. look at uedama etc where the suicide gankers have to think about their targets and select them with some level of care where as if it was a 0.4 system they could just shoot everything without a care in the world... i know which one sounds more interesting. (tip, it's the one where you have to think instead of mindlessly hitting f1 every time the gate flashes)

here's exactly what will happen. people will put 1 jump clone in every empire and never travel through low sec anyway. which just adds a 24 hour cooldown between moving from 1 area of empire to another. so, where's your "more pvp"? i'm unconvinced it's there.


Yea, that is the whole point of low sec, shoot everything. Of course suicide ganking isn't very hard either, scan hulls, find expensive loot, count to 3 and hit f1, collect isk.
Now running a gatecamp where you are at great risk of being attacked yourselves requires a different level of engagement. Also what is the point of setting up a jump clone in every empire if your not going to move **** between them?

There is an equillibrium to be reached here, if few people cross lowsec because its to dangerous, then there will be little incentive for pirates to operate. If there are no camps, then people will start traveling low sec, causing camps.

If your a carebear move around them via cloak, wormhole, or alternate route.

Also I am not talking about carebears fighting. I am talking about pvp players fighting each other for control of gates or to simply eliminate gate camp players for fun.

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#718 - 2013-07-07 12:19:24 UTC
Rengas wrote:
Ewersmen wrote:
Lol what's wrong with you people ...give them a chance to track the people down ...wont force them into low sec lol ....are you people ******** ....People do not want to go in low sec because they will get constantly killed lol ....someone kills me I make no profit ....................................PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO LOW SEC CAUSE ITS FULL OF A*S*S*H*O*L*E*S....END OF STORY ...

I assume you're talking about this gem of a fit?



Yea, thats why he mad.

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Ewersmen
Perkone
Caldari State
#719 - 2013-07-07 16:03:14 UTC
lol I am never mad in a space game ......what you got butthurt your idea is bad
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#720 - 2013-07-07 17:50:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Ewersmen wrote:
lol I am never mad in a space game ......what you got butthurt your idea is bad



Ewersmen wrote:
PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO LOW SEC CAUSE ITS FULL OF A*S*S*H*O*L*E*S....END OF STORY ...


Looses expensive fit, proceeds to immediately post about how low sec is full of assholes.
No connection

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