Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why would LP items be more expensive when you have LP stores for every faction in Caldari space already? Run missions at the best LP/hr Minmatar agents, redeem the LP in The Forge, ship the products to Jita. No need to cross the proposed lowsec barrier thanks to jump clones.



If it's going to be so trivial to move things back and forth, what's the point of the low sec separation of hisec empire space?

So what you're saying is that prices WILL go up? Which means that I"m right. Which means that this is a BAD IDEA. Eve already has ENOUGH inflation, espeically in the cost of T2 goods, which will dramatically increase if this post were to be listened to.

Let me address a specific question you raised, about "what exactly changed".

I'm guessing about 75% of all EVE freight is handled by Freighters. This is because they have the best cost/benifit ratio of EVE ships, and actually a relatively low barrier of entry. Essentially shipping in EVE is required because certain goods are made on different sides of the universe. Most shipping happens with raw resources. Jita, Dodixie, Rens and Amarr are important for 2 reasons:

Quantity: When manufacturing large numbers of goods, quantity is needed. No one single region in EVE has sufficent quantity of production to support buy orders for a Titan, for example. Additionally, ABC ores have to be imported to highsec, then jumped to a central location to sell. Without a central market hub like Jita, it would actually become prohibitively expensive to undertake the more complex actions in the EVE economy that form the basis of 0.0 and lowsec PVP engines. Disrupting freighter traffic will put massive dents in the ability of EVE to manufacture ships and items in the economy. Doing this would create massive disruptions in freighter traffic, and therefore, reduce EVE's ability to manufacture, and the cost of manufacturing on the scale needed to create ships for PVP.

Concentration: Time is money, and is related to Quantity, except, that without market hubs (and freighters especially) being fueled by a constant stream of ALL kinds of items from ALL over the universe, Places like Jita are neccisary to fulfill the concentration needs of EVE. Concentration is a demand of market hubs, especially in games, because no one wants to waste 2 hours of their life, trying to fly 25 jumps just to find a module that they need for their Caracal. This means that the market hubs in EVE will continue just as they had, except prices will now be dramatically higher, since players who could be incursioning and running missions at isk/hour ratios of 100 million or better are now flying viators around lowsec, and they'll be damned if they're not going to make as much money.

conclusion: Ending freighter traffic by making eve impassable, will simply result in jump freighter traffic which will increase costs (especially for jump freighters! Making this game EVEN MORE NOOB UNFRIENDLY) or it will merely put an end to cheep commodities.

Either way, costs go up, as you said, and either way, its horrible for this game.

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Addresing the issue of inflation: I'm not talking about current inflation, (Which is a totally different issue) Im talking about the inflation wich will result from Cmdr. Ted's HORRIBLE idea. I don't pretend to understand the current market issues, and I'm not commenting on them here, only about how much of a mistake this would be.

About freighting stuff, You have no idea what you're talking about. Hauling is quite a viable profession, margins aren't all that low, and if you can invest a few hundred million ISK into your cargo, you'll make a tidy profit. This applies to small-size hauling too. You just have to be smart about what you haul. Generally speaking though, hauling IS used to get goods to market, I'm not concerened about hauling as a profession. It is fine, it is well balanced, and money is to be made. Contract hauling doesn't exist in EVE for reasons completely unrelated to there not being a demand for it. Truthfully, there is a demand for it, but the game mechanics make it next to impossible to fill with complete strangers, so you rely on services like black and red frogs to ship things because you can trust them (usually) to get cargo to destination.

Having played this game 3x longer than thou hast certainly has enlightend me as to how Jita, Rens, Amarr, and Dodixie got their place as trade hubs. I understand why and how trade hubs form, and clearly stated in my previous post why they're important. I dont' care what systems they're based in, nor was I concerened about them disappearing, I'm concerened about what will happen to the prices AT those hubs, wherever they are. Galaxy wide prices would all go up as a result.

Please re-read my post carefuly. Nowhere in there did I talk about buy orders for titans. I understand nul-sec manufacturing fine, because I DID IT.

The problem with this proposal is that without minerals being hauled in to places like Jita regularly there wouldn't be sufficent quantity of material to do things LIKE build titans. You'd have to setup 4 logistic chains to 4 market hubs to gather resources which would greatly increase the cost of ALL types of ships to 0.0 alliances.


You can disagree with my preception of the VIator all you like, I fly it, regularly.


Prices will go up, you're right. They'll go up so high that you'll regret ever listening to commander ted, because suddenly HACS are going to cost 250 - 300 milion, and all your shiney ships are going to be dramatically more expensive too.

This isn't a hauling boost, its the death of a profession, and the end of casual fun in EVE forever.

That's because you are forcing it by keeping it alive .