Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I wish CCP would have thought of this when they generated the EVE universe. Now, while I think the idea is great, probably not much will be done to implement this, since it would be such a massive geographical change.

Hope I am wrong though :)

It's just bad idea.

It would change nothing in it assumption, PVE players would just live in it's faction region not moving elsewhere, new hubs will appear.
If PVE player want to move elsewhere he will just use t2 cloack, so no benefits for PVP players.

What this change does?
- boost for campers (most lame thing in eve)
- boost economy, production, transport etc. (solo activities so it's bad thing)

- less interaction between players
- lot's of players stop playing

Not worth it.

BTW. It's space so nothing strange that two opposite factions have systems next to each other. It's huge distance, many light years not Berlin wall...


You better put that effort, and think about some ideas to boost and change LS for better

If Solitude has so many people why don't they make there own **** there? Secondly, the goods would be made LOCALLY. Goods don't just magically materialize in Jita and go everywhere, they are built somewhere, most notably not in Solitude or Jita.
Solitude doesn't have anyone making the **** people need so it is imported. Gallente space would have enough people to make most everything so it would not be imported.

Learn to read. Actually I think you may have purposely misquoted me to back up your own arguments by attacking my charecter.

Not enough time between posts for necro.

If 5-15 ships are sitting on a low sec gate, why wouldn't anyone want to shoot them?
You seem to be under the impression that all pirates are on the same side.

The ammount of pirates prefering to camp gates organised is far larger then the group who's willing to break them up, mostly because the following:

Gate campers actually SHOOT BACK

Gate campers usually got a huge advantage with multiple safes, offgrid and on grid bookmarks.

In the end those beautiful pvp fights you're envisioning won't happen because the PVPers camping those gates are also avoiding risks and people actually willing to shoot them know they're not going to get a fight anyway.


I'd love to shoot those gate campers, but I know I'll at most get them to stop sitting on the gate as long as my gang is in system, there will be no pvp just more boring gate camping.

What do you know about the ambush predators of Eve Mike? I mean surely you must be an expert on these gatecamps with your wide generalization. I am sure the moment I jump in with anything tougher than a t1 cruiser that these pirates would scatter to the wind because they are so incompetent and only attack badgers!

I actually replied to a post of yours. It's the last post on page 31 of this monstrosity. Not sure if you didn't notice it or if you couldn't rebuttal any of it. (my money is on the latter) ;)

If you camp a gate for too long eventually someone looking for fun will come find you.

Why would you want more empty space that you'll never go to? (it's pretty obvious that you haven't been outside of high sec)

They don't randomly form gate camps of pirates just hanging out in system and be like "hey buddy pirate, wanna come pirate with me?" that's how you get popped for being dumb. The gate campers are groups before they sit on the gate. This means that if someone else wants to sit on that gate there's going to be a fight. And when you have small gang activity you'll get some hit and run stuff and some stubborn fools that keep coming back loosing ship after ship for far to long of a duration. But i digressed. Pirates are not friends. There's no big pirate club for all pirates. Pirates will fight, if not for the plundered booty, then just for the sake of fighting.

Ah this is an interesting point. But you have to understand something. The reason there are so few anti-pirate/gatecamp groups is because lowsec is wide open and empty. Finding a gatecamp to crash is near impossible, and getting there in time might be worse. With low sec being in the middle of the empires then those pvp groups are going to know where to get some action. In fact with so many fights so close to high sec there would be a chance for many more of those groups to exist. In turn new players would have a place to go experience some pvp without making a huge commitment.

Your concern about the fights not happening is arbitrary. If you've ever been fishing, you'll already have heard about the most basic concepts of the catch. That is your Bait and Tackle. ;)

So you've left high sec one time, you were in your Itty mk 1 and landed next to a Gankathron. If those "price bubbles" got big enough, it would be worth while to have multiple people run either multiple industrials or security for 1 very large industrial to make bank on the profit margins. But in any case, right now to make any decent money with hauling you have to have a freighter because prices are so homogenized throughout empire that the margins are in fractions of an Isk so you need to move millions of cubic meters to see your work pay off. With a change like this haulers of all sizes will see at least some profit. Assuming they know how to scout or cloak or get away or really anything. It would be a great place to learn though.

I think this is an excellent idea. Currently for me the empires mean nothing and every HS system feels exactly the same . ooh its a different shaped gate and station... different mission name but same stuff etc etc .... boring ... (thats why i moved to a WH)

Separating the empires up would enhance the exploration feeling for new players... Visiting another empire would actually require some planning and also a feeling of reward once you got there unscathed and if you had something valuable to trade then the isk reward would be very nice to.

My only concern is that every gate would be camped to the extent that anyone not in a cloaky or a organised/protected trade fleet would get smashed. Having lots of routes would help however It would be good to ensure there was always atleast one non camped route (even if only opened for 30 mins before being camped again).

One way to achieve this would be via random faction navy patrols that cant be tanked. Eg the navies appear in random choke points. with a random timer so you cant predict when they will appear or how long they will stay at a particular gate. The navy targets anyone who stays at the gate for longer than 30 sec (or the longest freighter align warp time) So gate camps will get broken up regularly and will need to shift to a new gate. Pirates would be forced to stay mobile and have good intel. Similar for traders.

anyway its not a perfect solution but more food for thought.

At first i thought this was a stupid idea but then i thought more and came up with these points.

EMPIRES MATTER

• Yes! It would make the lore driven war and empire separation a reality.
• It gives racial choice an even deeper meaning.
• Racial items now count for more then just art flavor.

ECONOMIC IMPACT

• As more people join the game Jita becomes more capped, as it is seen lately. This move will basically de-crown Jita as being the king hub and split Markets by Factions.
• Market split encourages REAL LIFE ECONOMICS.
• Jita population will spread by factions and home bases, removing this huge strain of a central trade hub.
• What you sell and were you sell now has a bigger impact, then just move it to Jita.
• New market Zones could emerge.

FACTIONAL WARFARE

• FW should be able to temporarily build connections to other empires over this low sec zone.Like RAISE SEC LEVEL with some nice mechanic/combat.
• Other people should be able to disrupt this and LOWER SEC LEVEL trough nice mechanic/combat.
• Gives real meaning to FW, drives new emergent game-plays connecting two previously unrelated parties together.
• Gives reach market trades a reason to pump ISK into war to facilitate their business.
• Gives nullsec a true way to disrupt the markets and project power.
• Pirates as well as FW militia should have to fight to make the system the way they want. Nobody should get a free ticket to anything. If pirates want it to stay low sec they need to keep it low sec. Otherwise FW militia has to fight to keep it high sec.

HAULING BECOMES A REAL PROFESSION

• With the coming hauler changes this could prove immensely beneficial.
• New hauler roles to fit into the new conditions.
• Special Blockade runners, specialized per faction specific trade goods transportation. Factions invest in order to export their own goods.
• transport contracts star to become actual game mechanics.

NEW THEMATIC FOR AN EXPANSION

• The Empires lose grip on the space they used to own?
• Empire presence recedes, bordering systems lose security status.
• FW capsuleers called to recreate security near bordering systems.

COUNTER ARGUMENTS

• It destabilize the market!. - Well i sure hope so, look at what moon good changes brought to null sec. The biggest war since ever.