Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Apparently you have never camped a regional gate before, given that it's possible for pilots to land literally 70km away from you, camping it, even with T2 larges scattered all over the gate with a few cruisers won't guarantee a 100% kill rate, not even 75 in most cases.

Given that you are looking at a few dozen entrances from low-sec to high-sec chances are more of them will NOT be camped than they are today. Adding low-sec between the empires does much in the way of creating things for pilots to do, it would make space-trucking a viable profession, it would give mercenary corps something to do besides sit on the 4-4 Undock (escort runs, etc), it would even allow for relative new pilots to be paid scouts. Anything giving new AND old players a way to make isk, screw over their players, and want to group up to do things is a good thing.




This would make absolutely 0 sense, while I support the original idea; make it so that maybe a small sphere of CONCORD space touch a corner of each of the 4 empires space, with lowsec in between then. The amount of lowsec doesn't need to be vast swathes of space, just something to make Caldari-Space feel Caldari, and not the black and silver cloud place a few jumps from Dodi, the green and brown swirly place.

I like this idea!
It would also line out the FW between the Factions.

If it is 5% more valuable it is worth gathering. Of course if nobody is collecting Minmatar ice in hisec then the price is probably going to be twice as high. FFS moving things through low sec isn't impossible, you don't even have to go into low sec, use a wormhole. Direct empire to empire connections are common.
The logic of only the rich being capable of doing this is ******* ridiculous because that means that low sec logistics is expensive.
Steps to moving a mining ship through low sec.
1. Buy a viator.
2. Put mackinaw in viator.
3.???
4. Profit
Also if you want to move an entire mission ship, scan a wormhole down or scout through a battleship 5 jumps, its not ******* rocket science.
Now you have a population in the smaller empire.


That logic makes no sense.
Jita has x4 the market share of the next biggest hub amarr http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/EVE/EveTradeHubs.htm
However excluding Jita, Amarrian space has a only 10% smaller population than Caldari space. Not to mention the original reason Caldari is so big is that 60% of all characters are Caldari.
Obviously the trade hub isn't the deciding factor here. People who make items in the other 3 empires mostly move their things to Jita. If your a carebear with half a brain you sell everything in Jita no matter where you get it. If you are a price savey player, you always buy your stuff in Jita. If you are a null sec alliance, you buy your stuff in Jita.

Fine i'll bite again,

in game corporate take over in jita 4-4 and other stations, these change to npc corps that have no mission running agents or way to gain standings with,

instant + 1% sales tax or so because you cant have standings with said npc corp.

Double number of corporate office spots in amarr dodixie rens stations.


increase in sinks,

Jita 4-4 unlimited offices but 2 bill month rent.

cmdr. Ted, I've said it before and say it again, all this would do, is raise the cost of goods, and shift ALL freighter traffic to jump freighters. For the first 2 months, idiots unaware of the changes will die horribly, but once natural selection runs its course, ALL highsec logistics will be handled by black frog, who will become INSANELY wealthy. Prices EVERYWHERE Will inflate, and we'll get no more revitalization to lowsec. What IS more needed, and more interesting:

1) Create multiple lowsec 'shortcuts' which enable rapid trade from the hubs through these lowsec back-doors. Make enough of them and blockade runners can have a role again. I'm ok with lowsec regions, and even lowsec additions in EVE, but making them a prerequisite for trade is stupid and ridiculous. I'm talking about 5-6 jump paths which require you to cut through 4 or so lowsec systems (which are very branchy and hard to camp every option) to make it to a market hub.

2) lowsec requires a rare, unique and valuable resource besides security tags (which were a great star, but not the whole fix). This resource also should be more interesting than shooting ships, and require industrial activity such as mining, hauling, trading and manufacturing.

That is all.

That is a far less interesting way to break up hubs with fewer positive implications for gameplay.
Also how to hell do you figure after months of posting and 100 likes that I am a troll, it is just a weak way, immature, and troll-like to dismiss someone's opinion.

Ever lived in Solitude? its a single region of gallente space in a sea of lowsec, exactly the way you propose, except a microcosm. I suspect CCP intended this as a test bed to test EXACTLY what you're taking about. Out there you can buy anything gallente 1 manufacturables for about a 10% markup, but literally everything else costs anywhere between 50% -> 200% more, mainly dependent on the racial flavor, and how relevant it was to the market needs (for example, consumable goods like munitions were more towards the 50% side, while certain PVP mods were more like 200%.). But with such big margins available, why don't people fill the market out there, like good capitalists?!

Simple: Its all brought in "on the margin". Very few of the JF pilots who make trips out to solitude go out to trade, because of how prohibitively expensive it would be to stock the market there. There is a reasonable trade in market goods because quite a bit of EVE's manufacturing goes on there, but the vast majority of all transport in comes from corperate JF runs like those run by Black Thorne Corp, etc. JF pilots don't jump half full, and often will speculate with their remaining cargo hold. Since the cost of fuel is a sunk cost, most of the trading goes on in the margins of the cargo holds, between corp fuel, mineral, and ship assets.

While I enjoyed the solitude of solitude, now that i'm back in empire, i'm simply shocked by how much lower prices are everywhere.



I did a one time move recently from solitude (read above) to reblier, and guess who I used? Black Frog, for a pile of ships worth significantly more than the 50 mil fee. I did a mixture of all the things you recommended, but mostly I just had to leave assets behind, because of the lowsec island effect. It does HORRIBLE things to an economy. It is NOT easy to move goods by wormhole, as you can go a good 2 weeks before finding one which does you ANY good. Not to mention that this will get WORSE with the changes you propose, because it wouldn't help you at all to find a K space -> K space hole from Caldari to Minmatar when you want to make a trip to amarr. It will now take 4X more time to find a wormhole that you can actually use. Congrats.





No such shortcuts exist. Between the market hubs, the lowsec 'shortcuts' only shave a mere 5 jumps off on average. I mean a REAL shortcut, Like 5 jumps instead of the previous 25 or so which separates the 4 main market hubs.

Commander Ted, why don't you play the game instead of fantasizing about lowsec islands. Or if you really have that much of a hardon for them, GO LIVE IN SOLITUDE. Trust me, a few months there, and you'll be singing a different tune.

All of that lowsec around solitude is actually more dead than any other lowsec region I've been in. EVER. And I've been in a LOT of them.

We don't need MORE lowsec, we need BETTER lowsec, and Your proposal doesn't make lowsec better, just makes highsec worse.

I like the idea, but I would add 1-2 little highsec routes between each so that those who want their afk gameplay can still have it, albeit with massive delays/bottlenecking.

You can take the fast way and risky way, or the slow and safe way. It makes more of a space highway vibe, and you'd get your popular "rift jumpers" who would quickly try to close the chasm to get back to high sec.

Hell you could even have tolls on the highsec gates (hooray isk sinks) based on cargo volume/mass.

I like it as a halfway point as I doubt CCP is gonna border each space with only lowsec, though I do like the idea of increasing the value of regional trade hubs and not the "oh well better go to jita" mindset.

Wanna be Pirate, why don't you go to NPC Null.. Heard that was suppose to be the Pirate haven..

You know as there is no law there and only the strong & mentally tough people survive and the wanna be's & the weak goes to die..

lol

Solitude sucks balls for a single simple reason, their is no reason for anyone to ever go there. Nobody makes things in solitude because nobody lives in solitude, nobody lives in solitude because it is exactly the same thing as Gallente space but shittier, so using that as an argument is not going to work. The markets in a broken hisec would all be mostly supplied locally because they are large and populated enough to support an actual manufacturing base.

If it takes you two weeks to find you a empire to empire wormhole then your bullshitting, even then empire-c1-empire connections are extremely safe and very easy to find. I can say first hand after doing a pvp run through syndicate with me and my prober alt I actually found a k-space-kspace hole in the first system I entered since the way back was camped. Not to mention that you can move anything up to battleships safely with a scout if you are smart. Professional traders could afford to be indiscriminate about their wormholes because they could make a profit making a trip anywhere, and you still have access to viators move smaller than battleship sized ships nearly 100% risk free.

A small handful of systems with no advantage over the populated space will never be populated, however large hisec empires already are filled with industrialists, items, and a demand for people. Solitude sucks balls and always will because nobody lives there because their is no reason to live there.