Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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That is correct.

Breaking up hisec into several small pockets would not encourage/force more people into losec or to hop in a combat ship and go pewpew. At best they would just stick to their little pond and at worse they would quit. And before someone says those people should quit, no we need every real person we can get lest this game becomes Alts Online.

Sorry I didn't read this threadnaught, so if that opinion has been expressed before then count this post as a no towards your idea.

Haven't read more than the first page:
Nice idea *if* it had been implemented from 2003. As it is, this would be too disruptive to the present economy.

Any suggestion which would seriously affect Eve's monetary turnover in an impossible-to-foresee manner is simply a no-no.

Interesting to see the haulerbears adapt to this situation.
although as a pirate i rarely gate camp it is so damn boring but it would juice up the camps for sure.
i see a bear market for cloaky trucks.

it is going to be the big cargo's that would get reall risky needing a escort team for that one jump or protect the cyno and gates.
i like the post but i dont know if this really would be good for eve as i am not sure how far the high sec dwellers wil lbe scared off by this it could ruin the full eveconomy aswell.

I think with some tweaks this idea has real merit. If you have a need to get goods through low sec there is a way, and this idea wouldn't change that.

That said, in keeping with ccp's praise worthy "decisions have consequences" mantra, I think the consequences for being a pirate would need to be increased. I believe an interesting way to do that would be to regionalize sec status, then tie sec status to docking rights.

What this would mean in practice is if you actively pirate on the gallente side of the gallente/caldari low sec border you would not be able to dock in any stations in gallente space once your gallente security status got low enough. You would have to travel a few jumps to caldari space for a safe haven station to dock in, giving any law abiding people in the area a slight home field advantage.

I also think it would be interesting to tie security status into all forms of trade and commerce. If you supply pirates that operate in gallente space buy filling market orders or contracts or even trading, it would only be natural for the gallente to resent you for that. But if you supply said pirates in caldari space what could the gallente do but lower your sec status with them and wait for you to enter their borders.

I realize lore wise this might be hard to justify and that it might make faction standing indistinguishable from sec status, but I was just trying to think of ways to create an environment similar to the one in which historical pirates operated. In which they essentially sided with one empire or another for access to supplies, markets for their stolen goods and friendly, or at least non-hostile ports. Overall I like the idea of low sec between empires.

People making the choice where they want to be isn't wrong. Sorry if I came across as implying that it was a bad thing in my previous post.

Fracturing hisec would just exacerbate the problem of one region being more populated than the rest, something we already see with Jita and The Forge to a certain extent, and more of the trouble we see with that situation. Now one might say that people being forced out of that region due to overpopulation would be good for the rest, but then you just removed the players choice of where they want to be by imposing an artificial restriction, namely the region being a small pond. It could also be argued that we could see a return to a time when one race is chosen based on it's location rather than the players choice, similar to the situation that came about when bloodlines had different attributes. You actually remove risk in these cases as people avoid it by creating their account to start off in one of the small, shallow ponds rather than being dumped into a large, deep one.

As for alt's, the game needs more people, not more alts. People bring new ideas and fresh perspectives whereas alt's just bring more of what we already have, a stagnant player base that simply maintains the status quo.

Suppose I should mention I have 8 accounts, Mr Stagnation checking in

We already had this discussion in this thread, Hi-Sec is already running out of space and homogenizing on its own. CCP's in house economist said so himself at 2012's fanfest.
Crowding in one region would not work because all the ore, ices, exploration loot, LP Rewards, and station slots would tank in value, making the other regions more attractive and making them all homogenous.

The only reason Jita is more populated is because its more populated. The fact that it is so trivial to move goods to Jita means that it doesn't matter where you put your industrial setup in hisec, as long as you have a freighter and an autopilot button you can sell your items in Jita just as competitively as someone nearby. This means lower prices which means more people come to jita to buy things which means that is has more demand which means your stuff sells faster which means moar isk.

By cutting off players from other empires from Jita, it will quickly shrivel and die leaving Caldari space without any advantage over any of the other empires, encouraging homgenization.

Being kept out of your preferred space might be a problem if we were dealing with a young player base, but we have a mature player base capable and willing to homogenize.

Tbh I always thought jump drives were a dumb idea in the first place.

I want this.