Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Still a bad idea. Overall, it will limit game play activity for some or even many. If what I play between two empires? (Techincally I sometimes do). So if I want to go to another empire space faction with my Battleship or BC. I can a take a chance of flying it through lowsec or B. Buy another BS or BC and established a second HQ in the other empire space, or C. Just limited my stay in my own regional space (basically creating a high sec within a high sec). It will also remove hauling services as there wouldn't be much activity with industrial or freighters.

Some may try A. and B. but only those who have the isk for it.

This does not show that it's a bad idea at all. Infact all it shows is that you're risk adverse and/because buy ships you can't afford to lose.

You should have a little bit of risk if you want to be in all places. High sec has no risk, but it does have everything. This whole idea is in the spirit of eve. But in the spirit of carebears, you could still go with option C until you can afford option A or B. OR you could find a corp/other people that will go with you. Yeah, thats right you have more options.

The best part about this would be the possible build-ups you can do around this. Say for instance war dec'ing. What if you wardec a corp and it's only in a certain faction's space. That'll appease the carebears but also allow wardec's to continue. I really think if they changed Security Status loss to not drop when you attack someone with a negative sec status. That way when you go to low sec you can shoot people that look shootable and not lose your own sec status. Infact if they did that you'd end up with a +sec vs -sec type of area where pirates be pirates but other people would be less likely to shoot +sec guys. That would really add some elements to the whole trade route thing between the empires.

But really the only negative implications brought up of this idea are based on the "Old People Hate Change" mentality. Don't be afraid of a little change!

Are they any real negative implications anyone can think of? Please be Objective, don't subjective and talk about your feelings.

You cannot simply ignore the players psycology. Given what players have shown on risk aversion that woudl simply kill parts of empire and create 2 separated empires with very little communication ebbetween them.. ammarr and calddari. You would NOT get that heavy traffict you expet in low sec. Most players woudl simply live as if empire got shrinked massively.

Those that do not leave now.. would not leave anyway.

The game is already made partially as you wante. The routes trough high sec are much longer than low sec ones. Make the low sec ones have 2-3 different paths and you will already get as much extra traffic as you coudl expect to ever get.

BTw do not think the empire pipes between the great trade hubs are much safer than average low sec.. if you rtavel too much there with too much valuable cargo.. we will one day or other war dec you .

The psychology is exactly what's wrong with highsec. High sec is too big of a safe bubble, risk adverse activity doesn't really inhibit anything anymore. If you break it down into 4 quadrants then it would give inscentive to risk through reward, or in another point of view you'd lose some freedom by being too risk adverse. This is eve, its about fighting with space ships and junk. And if they really are planning to end war decs then highsec violence will go away to a large extent. And if pirates end up concentrating in an area then people will know where to go to get fights (vs pirates even). If this game was designed around the psychology of the average risk adverse pilot then this would just be a space flight simulator, not a space ship blowing up game.

As for the trade pipes, like you said, if you're transporting expensive stuff in large quantities you'll get dec'd. That means its safe for anyone not doing that. Good job! No risk some reward for small guys, some risk same reward for big freighters. This needs changing and highsec wardecs also need to be changed.

I was thinking just about Jita as a trade hub for T1/T2 goods. LP store items will likely be one of the few things that people can use a transport to cross the low sec systems. Might even remain a big seller of all faction goods simply due to the fact that it is currently a super-hub.



No I didn't. I was merely pointing out that null sec manufacturing/industry is pretty **** pour. It does not mean we have to try and nerf high sec. The option of buffing null also exists. Or changing both so that high sec is good for something, null good for others (besides just capital ships and moon goo).



There is plenty of trade in the game. There are millions of units of different items being moved and sold every week if not every day. The idea that trade is non-existent is risible. Of ocurse it might mean some additional steps. For example, you go to Jita, but some items, haul them back to wherever, do some invention, use the stuff you bought in Jita and then haul the new products back to Jita for sale.

Higher prices do not necessarily translate into higher profits. If just the prices change, then it translates into higher profits. But nothing says just prices have to change.

You actually made no points at all. Good job, you're so smart!

But anyways, there appears to be a little bit of direction in this idea if you keep up with the Story Line of the game. With the Battle for Caldari Prime, the assassination of Karin Midular, and stuff going on in Amarr looks like not only are we heading to high sec separation. But each of the 4 empires will no longer have allies in the other nations.

http://themittani.com/features/eve-storyline-primer-may-2013

The current state of high/low sec is no good for anyone. A little violence never hurt anyone. ;)

The only points even being made are because of the risk aversion, which the last time I checked this game doesn't reward. If you're afraid to travel through low sec for an escalation, you lose isk, if you're afraid to bait that cloaked camper in your 0.0 ratting system, you lose isk, and if you don't travel through red sov to reach blues, you won't earn nearly as much as you would there if you return to mission running.

Low sec is used, just not nearly as much as it could or should be used.

Its a serious opportunity for fun that is for some reason being completely passed up.


Really I don't expect anyone to stay in one empire for their entire career, it is only natural that you at least try to cross the gap. This will hopefully encourage people to dip their toes into the more dangerous waters. Not to mention much more interesting gameplay is possible with an extra dimension added on to it, an industrialist who wants to run multiple operations would have much more interesting gameplay to deal with.

On the contrary, you still fail to understand that this change will NOT force anyone to do anything. It will add extra risk in the middle of High Sec space but it won't make High Sec space any less safe. It will however create an area of high traffic - lowsec space for the purpose of profiting and pirating.

Low sec will create a type of "Geographical" barrier between trade hubs. Traversing this barrier will have risk but by doing it you'll be able to make some profit. Think of the age of Sailing Navigation and trade. The atlantic ocean was a dangerous place with storms and pirates and allegedly sea monsters, but that didn't stop people from making the journey with goods to trade for profit.

And the current rewards in LowSec compared to it's risk is the reason that low sec is not being used. Highsec rewards are only slightly below and with no risk. Lowsec space has the highest of risk of all space. (not only can you lose whatever you bring with you including potentially titans, but you also lose security status by engaging 95% of people there)

Our intended targets are not the most riskadverse people in the game such as missioners and highsec wardecers. Our intended targets are ourselves and anyone else that's willing to put up a bit of risk for a bit of reward.

This could also backfire, let's let the clone updates settle first. Once PvP is easier this may become more viable, but there's always risk this could also choke trade because care bears will be care bears.