Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Thats how it already is.
Hisec doesn't do a very good job of being dangerous.

This idea is always regurgitated by bad PvPers.

Most people don't want to PvP, so some Wow Kiddie "ELITE PVPer" (who runs from any fight that they don't out number the other team 5:1) comes up with the brilliant idea to **** all over the "sandbox" aspect of Eve and force players to play his way.

I have no idea what this means.

I have stated plainly why i think this is a good idea. Please state plainly why it's a bad idea. Your arugment that it doesn't "feel" like a good idea. Is not what we're looking for. Neither is "everyone will unsub" and things like that.

When you say it will screw up the markets you'll have to explain more plainly why. Currently lowsec pirating is the way it is because it's out of the way and if someone get's ganked nobody is bothered. But if we put low sec in the path between trade hubs there's going to be a lot of people out there who will be bothered.

This change would not force anyone to go to low sec. All that it would do is make you think twice about flying to another space.

Think of old world trade from eurpoe to china. If you could get silk and spices in europe you wouldn't need to trade. If there was no risk in the transport, they wouldn't really be worth trading anyways. Nothing is worth trading in eve right now.

The value of china silk had very little to do with the risk in the transport. It had more to do that silk was a popular item and only the Chinese knew the secret of its manufacture. However, I do agree that the value of an item due to the associated risk involved does increase the value of it, but first the item needs to have value, not the other way around. The current suggestion won't create any real value of items from trade. Items in Eve don't hold much value from trade simply because they're common in every area of space. The only thing that is not that I can think of (and that's commonly traded) is something like Racial Ice. In which case the idea would create some trade value in Racial Ice.

For this idea to work certain high sec regions of space need to have access to items while other regions don't. Otherwise, all you will see are local regions of trade and very few cross regional trade. In other words, Minmatar will stop shipping goods to Jita and only ship them to Rens/Hek and other factions will do the same in their local regional markets. In simple terms this idea will basically be just a nerf to Jita and really nothing more.

All those items you mentioned are small m3 items except for ice. A blockade runner or even a frigate can haul those items without any real risk associated (unless they're mass transporting it, which I am getting into my next paragraph).

Now... Lets get to the manufacture side of this (or mass transit). Lets say I have dozens of different ships/ammo/rigs/modules etc built and I see that the market in Jita is in demand for the items I built (from doing my research of course). Currently the price it costs me to ship 800km3 worth of goods is between 11mil-14mil (using Red Frog or PushX) which is chump change because I can easily make millions of isk from the items made.

However, with your idea of low sec being the gap between empires the price of hauling the goods will skyrocket. Because now I am charged for jump freighter service which is usually around 50-60 million isk and can hold only 320k m3 goods severely crippling my profits. You think I will produce goods or transport goods to Jita? No. At least not mass transit. Instead, I am just going to produce for the local market since I get more profits that way.

Also Firetails are cheaper in Jita because Jita has the highest trade volume. Meaning there are more sellers and buyers and depending on the item(s) demand there could to be more sellers than buyers which lowers the price. For example, Jita sells about 100-300 Firetails per day, while Rens will sell only 50-150 per day. Not to mention Jita has about over 2k firetails on the market while Rens has only about 100. If you look at the ratio of Firetails sold per day to what's on the market it's only common that Jita prices of firetails will drop since it only sells about 100-300 but has over 2k on the market.

Exactly my point, their is no point in selling things locally because no matter where it comes from, it makes the most sense to sell it in Jita. However if low sec is in the way Jita will die as a super hub. People making things for local consumption will also be a good thing for non traders, since now all four empires will have decent trade hubs.

Also those small m3 items matter to trade. Also not all LP store items are small m3, ammo can take up quite a lot of space. Not to mention ships will still be cheaper in their home empires because of how much more common the appropriate minerals are. If not the ships being moved then the minerals, which will definitely be different prices in each area, and I would argue that minerals are the most important item of all to vary in price.

Also you must consider that even for generic items like t2 modules there would be new trade opportunities. If someone in Amarr buys out every t2 large blaster there is, it will take time for the local production to make up for the loss, opening up an opportunity for people to cross low sec and make profit. Normally someone would probably have bought all the blasters from Jita and then moved them to amarr space for use, or within an hour someone would have seen the shortage on eve central and moved in one obelisk into amarr. Yet now unless someone gets a lucky empire to empire wormhole you will see multiple badger loads trying to make up for that change.

Since economies will be more isolated, they will be more vulnerable to things like a manufacturer going out of business or price manipulation, making it easier for traders to take advantage of such changes.

If this change were added they would become as big as Jita. You said so yourself that if this were done you couldn't move things to Jita if this change were added, so it would be starved of supply and the demand from other empires would be cut off as well.

Also how am I suggesting anything of the sort? Explain in detail because otherwise your just wildly speculating my intentions.

They would be as big because Jita would shrink. Your not understanding what I mean. All the hubs would be equal, probably about 700 people each.

Yea i never meant that.

All the empires have populations proportional to the number of systems (excluding Jita).
Although caldari space has slightly more people than Amarr.