Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You're confusing The State with The Market. It's a common mistake made by many simpletons. You see, taxes from The Market pay for all those shiny dreads and soldiers The State throws away in wars. Also, taxes pay for all that CONCORD protection all those Hbears receive when transferring goods. So, you see, it's in each faction's interest (and CONCORD's) that goods keep flowing freely between markets.

Also, I have no clue how you can interpret increased military presence on borders as creating less security for trade routes. If anything, a war between the factions would increase security of their own systems for anyone except rivals to their faction. So, a war between the factions would actually cause the opposite result of the one you'd like.


If anything you said were true, there wouldn't be massive mark ups in Amarr, Dodixie and Rens compared to Jita. Check the market data to and you'll see there are genuine price differences between the main hubs on certain commodities and that trade volume actually occurs. I make massive profits on buy orders that are at 80% Jita price in a 0.7 system that's connected to several 0.5 systems on low-sec borders. People constantly sell me billions in goods simply because they either don't have the sec status to go above 0.5, or because they're too lazy to ship the items to Jita themselves. However, according to you, this never happens because you think every player has huge freighters to move everything anywhere they want.


You were going great until you said "but". Security to The Market is paramount to survival of The State and The Citizenry. Imagine an empire that allows it's roads to it's neighbors to be ransacked by pirates. Such empires rarely last very long.

Let's face it, the only reason anyone would want this change is to allow easy targets on a silver platter. Unfortunately for you, this will never happen.

Seems blockades and embargo's are the common thing to do with enemies.

to the OP, the empires wouln't trade with enemeies.

Still war would mean more military presence. So there would be more security. Either way, it doesnt make a lot of sense.

I'd rather they be separated with middle-sec, but I do feel that separating them with lowsec is better than leaving them how they are currently.

Well, you've at least proven my theory of stance. And since your statement shows actual proof that you don't know much about losec as it currently stands, we'll move on from that side of the argument. I'd be remiss if I didn't direct any w-space opinions in your direction. Otherwise, it's essentially invalid.

Your talking international waters with the Navy reference, though, which is and of itself is NOT what sec space is. Period. Its quite possible that by using a misguided analogy, you've sprung upon a great idea: International space. Inter-empire space. We'll drift back to this. First we have to set some points in place:

Point: Trade hubs are player creations, not made by CCP. Not really a necessary point, just background.

Point: If the empire sought to protect it's trade profit before war broke out, it would have allowed trade to exist between itself and all other empires. This is before one of the expansions, I think Empyrean, a few years back.

Point: After war breaks out, buying from an enemy empire would be a traitors act.

Point: After war breaks out, buying from an ally would often be seen as 'okay.'


So if we can trade with allies, but we don't want to be supporting enemies with monies, we'd cut off ties with them. So at the very least, Commander Teds' argument for low security space between warring empires (the Amarr/Caldari might versus the Gallente/Minmatar gaggle) would not be supportive of trade. And since CCP did not, in fact, declare Jita a trade hub, it would probably destabilize the market to a great degree as the Minmatar and Gallente economies would suffer (there simply being more product for sale to Caldari, safe trade to Amarr, and more production capabilities in Amarr).

So we've got the why and why not. What about this new 'inter-empire space'? That's a bunch of funny options. The empty vast that only the navies themselves protect, where traders are supposed to be able to roll in peace, and where pirates prey on the weak. Sounds like losec, I guess. More thought will have to be put into that train.

Your choice of wording caught my attention. When your talking about the risk-averse, it's carebears. But the ones shooting each other are pvpers ... until they have 'overwhelming force'.

I'm just saying. You're tilting your cards a little there.

The Matari and Gallente empires would enforce hisec space between themselves to ensure continuation of trade. Likewise the other two. Atm concord does the enforcing. Separating them all by losec makes no sense storywise.

Separating the 2 factions by losec may affect FW. Or maybe not.

Could you clarify what you mean by this?

Who would have their gameplay negatively impacted?
Missioners? No.
Miners? No.
Industrialists? No.

People who do interempire trade will still have safe options, because the currently it is easily exploitable by bots, or just being AFK. Not to mention traders who fly around, can still do lots of things in one empire.
I have clearly outline safe ways around and through low sec that have little chance of death multiple times in this thread.


That is the great beauty of this idea, it wont impact anyone's gameplay negatively, it simply adds a new more exciting option for others who want it. This would get CCP more subscriptions from people who want excitement without changing anything for the boring people.

I like this idea. It makes sense. However, if you have to go through low sec to get from one empire to another, this would REALLY shrink the map for new players. That's about the only real con I see and it can be overcome with a little creative thinking.