Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Seems I struck a nerve there. Also, I said no one cares about you war decing carebears in high sec. It's like bragging about beating up old ladies in wheelchairs. Either way it only makes you look ridiculous.

Anyway, my point illustrated that shooting at carebears in high sec gives SOME lulz, whereas cloaky camping military 5 systems yields a whole new level of tears. I'm actually starting to think you may be one of the sources of those tears.

As for the topic, it's absurd and will never happen for a couple reasons:

1. The empires spent centuries securing trade lines between their main hubs. They're not going to suddenly give that up because you want targets given to you on a platter.
2. A highly secure trade route is important for multiple reasons, the main being the smooth movement of goods to a central marketplace. A central marketplace allows everyone a single place to compete on prices, or for buyers to receive the cheapest prices available.
3. Security of trade has always been paramount to the vitality of a market. There's a reason financial institutions and trade organizations spend the most on security of all industries.

Long story short, your "idea" flies in the face of lore and common sense. Anyone with two neurons to rub together would realize this. Then again, you missed my previous point in a laughable manner.



"I like to make up my own definitions"

Just quickly butting in again because of the bugger who posted after me earlier... I am not an alt >.>

i like this idea itd be alot better

Wat? I can't even just let this one go.

1). The Empires are in a state of cold war, which (given that in the case of the Minmatar and Gallente they just slaughtered a couple thousand of each others military service people and destroyed over a dozen Dreadnaughts) could escalate to full war at any time. Nations don't just keep trading with each other when they go to war in the real world because they've been doing it for a while. And that's entirely discounting the Empire factions that weren't already friendly with each other. Yeah, there's been a lasting peace for a while, but I doubt trade between the Minmatar and Amarr was ever that much of a priority for either Empire, and even the Gallente and Caldari massively distrust each other. Honestly, you're claiming it would be illogical for them to stop trading, but I think it's more illogical for them to currently have as open commerce as they currently do.

2). A central marketplace which allows everyone a single place to compete on prices, etc. etc. is pretty much exactly what proponents of this change are against. As multiple people have pointed out: it raises the barrier to entry to become involved in the market, reduces the advantage from specializing in particularly regional goods production, limits the existence of actual trade (by which I mean the shipment of goods from one location to another because of price differences), homogenizes the empires, eliminates a lot of danger from market activity, and draws people away from other regions of the game.

3) Security of trade should be paramount to the market, but it should be made possible by the players, not by game mechanics that allow the nearly danger-free movement of goods from one end of high security space to another.

The problem we're having here is that neither side can back up their arguments with facts, because we're talking about a possible change and not even specific details, and people on both sides are getting way to butt-hurt over being disagreed with.

I believe it was mike who argued that most players are hisec carebears.
Here is a link contradicting him http://youtu.be/7MZD6-vGQms?t=8m36s

Also the same video proves what I have been arguing to Nahkep that one hisec empire couldn't support all of the population so everyone moving to jita is dumb.

The reason pirates lack targets is because their is no good reason to interact with pirates. Also what "traps" are you talking about? Warping to a lone mining ship that has been dicking around for 20 minutes?
The player base is not responsible for the natural outcome of the sandbox.
It's the same thing with Goonswarm, you can't blame them for accomplishing whats possible in nullsec, and you can't blame pirates for choosing to attack players in the pvp zone.

I have said before avoiding pirates in low sec currently is extremely trivial. Doing level 4s in lowsec and exploration are done frequently for long periods of time, if you take the proper precautions you are nearly invulnerable to death. At most a scout alt is all you need to guarantee death will never happen to you ever. What things would pirates have to do to attract people in to low sec now? Stop pirating? I must put forward my opinion that you are ignorant to how pirates do their activities, and that you are talking out of your area of expertise.

Also once again I must state that this is not forcing anything on anyone in any single way, which i think is the biggest fallacy in your argument.
Something like moving all level 4s to lowsec would be forcing something on carebears, removing all hisec asteroid belts would be forcing something on carebears, however removing a route to a location that is completely unnecessary to them is not forcing anything on them. Everything you could possibly want to do is available in one empire, as I said in the first post, do you seriously need to run Damsel in Distress once for every empire?
Also as for trading, I clearly outlined the safe alternatives.

For the record, I don't have any particular beliefs or opinions about how this would effect lowsec piracy. My concern has to do with the problem I have with Jita as a massive market hub and with trade genrally being too easy and safe in EVE.

I don't like that large nullsec alliances like my own are required to do almost literally none of our own production to keep our war machine working (and thus we have no infrastructure to attack other than out of alliance jump freighters).

I don't like that there is little use for blockade runners because the vast majority of trade can be accomplished safely in less expensive ships.

I don't like how homogenous prices are across New Eden.

I don't like how the current lack of separation of Empires and lack of security around the borders breaks immersion for me.

I don't like how a the current arrangement of one contiguous block of hisec allows new players to convince themselves that everything outside of hisec is big and terrifying.

No it can't, seriously.

Missioners, Ice miners, and exploration pilots can not all cluster in one spot, Caldari LP store items aren't good enough to be able to make money for every missioner in Eve, Caldari Ice doesn't hold enough demand and it will be soon in finite supply to be mined, and asteroid belts will be chewed through to quickly. Where the carebears go the hisec pvp pilots will follow, Non Caldari/Amarr militia pilots would be cut off removing even more demand. What keeps Jita so large is the fact items come in from every corner of hisec. That could not possibly be sustained if there was neither the demand or the supply incoming.

CCP's in house economist has said himself that players are starting to spread themselves out across due to population constraints in caldari space.




Its hard to make money doing trade if items cost the same in every region.

I have thought of this idea before, but it really doesn't make a lot of sense when you really think about it.

The 4 empires wouldn't want to cross low sec to get their goods to or from another empire and risk it. So their natural solution to that would be ensure that their trade routes are more secure. Hence no low sec between empires.

No saying its a bad idea, but it wouldn't be a very natural evolution.