Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please explain how this would add content for those players?

I thought that this would not force anyone through low sec, everyone will be able to avoid the pirates just as they do now without problem. You have brought to bear a huge word count asserting this very thing. Perhaps I am missing something. If this is to add content for pirates, how does it do that without forcing people into their hunting grounds?

If we are going off of a 'large demographic', the largest is the high sec carebear population. How does this serve their interests? At the very least, how does this not negatively impact them while providing that 'content' to the much smaller demographic? Barring that, how does it increase their reward for the increased risk this would provide? Where would this increased reward come from without somehow increasing a source of ISK into the game? It seems only reasonable that if this is to benefit a select and small group in one way, they should have to pay for it in another, but that does not seem to be the case here.

In short, how does this provide the benefit you want without taking it from someone else?

There are reasons to go into Low Sec. The environment has richer rewards than what are available in High Sec. Different minerals, level 5 missions, etc. I don't want to do PvP, so I don't have to be a master of it, but there are reasons to go there. It's just that Pirates make it utterly unprofitable. What is worse they make it a huge pain and absolutely ZERO FUN, thus removing any benefit from going through there. Your assertion that there is no reason to go to Low Sec is false... it's just that the pirates remove any and all benefit from doing so.

This is EVE. It is a sandbox. If you are unsatisfied with what you are doing, do something else. Don't try and get the game changed to suit your own narrow and selfish agenda at the expense of the other players.

I like this idea. It would make hauling more lucrative, it would make piracy viable and it would give anti-pirates something to do. It would give a stronger identity to each race individually. It may give high sec corps greater reason to exist, and potentially a good place to learn the ropes for pvp. (Just think how hard it is for experienced people to get in a good roam then think of new corps.) And because of the cost of JF fuel (and the fact that it's going up) it would take a pretty good margin of difference for JF pilots to be able to make jumping worth it.

This change doesn't make space any less safe, it just makes it so there are greater risk vs reward opportunities for hauling piracy and anti-piracy.

Your idea is intriguing. Not entirely empty quoting.

Well if some pvp afraid carebears livelyhood is tied to a pvp activity then that may be frustrating, id rather just remove the high sec route totally.
Also what happens if you log off in a system that changes sec status and you aren't in FW?

I like it......would make JFs 10times more important

And borders...

Left as things are, it is impossible to balance the risk of piracy to rewards in Low Sec. As has been discussed before, so long as PvE requires flying piñatas and allows pirates to do as they do for as long as they wish with no meaningful penalties to make them stop then the rewards would have to be hundreds of millions per minute. I have seen a gang effectively lock a smaller corp in stations for an entire weekend for no better reason than to do so. This speaks volumes for the inability of the corp to fight, and just as much for the pirates willingness to spend large amounts of time enjoying griefing others for no real reward.

Proof? What would you accept? Look at the quarterly reports that CCP puts out. The vast majority of the game is played in High Security space. I can see the crowds in Jita from where I'm docked in Minmatar space atm. I agree that the PvE side of things needs improving very badly, but almost everyone I've ever spoken too about the game came for the cool internet space ships, and most of them left due to the unchecked actions of pirates.

I know low sec is more profitable.... your claim was that there was no reason to go to Low Sec. There is, the higher profits. What you wish to create is not a reason to go there, but a requirement. To the pirate mindset, Non-consent only applies to allowing them to do as they wish to others, not about making them change their own actions.

I understand how pirates work. I know how to maintain safe spots, watch D-scan, keep an eye on local, and not get caught. That sort of gameplay is simply not fun to the carebears you want to hunt. The added profit of low sec is made irrelevant by the pirates that call the place home.

It's possible I'm incompetent, but if that is the case, so is the vast majority of EVE players that won't go into lowsec for it's higher rewards despite what you want to claim is 'minimal risk'. How about all the highsec alts fueling their main's PvP habit? All of them claim that PvE is so boring and they hate doing it, yet almost none will do it in Low Sec where profits are higher and apparently risk is nearly non-existent despite the fact that they could do the hated PvE for less time and get back to whatever it is they do faster. I guess those people are just bad at PvP too.

Your comment on mining is exactly my point. The rewards are there, but simply not worth the increased pain in the rear that doing anything but piracy in Low Sec entails.

I would point out that someone is causing consequences to your gameplay. You are dissatisfied with both the value and frequency of haulers where you want to hunt. This will force you to either change activities or locations. You are not a trader, and you have no right to determine their standards of satisfaction or success. That is the nature of sandbox gameplay. It is what you make of it. Rather than take personal responsibility for your own enjoyment or success, you want to change the game to remove those qualities from someone else to enhance your own.

There are alternatives, but they require a lot of work, dedication, and team building to achieve. You could gather like minded pirates, and put your own ISK and efforts on the line. You could create a new trade hub in Low Sec by selling things at or below cost, and buying them at a premium, making up the difference by supplying your hub with the proceeds of your pirated goods---do this with enough people for long enough, establish a modicum of security in the area yourself and the shortened supply chains would draw business from Null Sec alliances away from Jita to your own.

The problem isn't that you are starved for content. The problem is that you are too lazy to adjust your play to reality

As I rudely introduce myself in this discussion, I want to state, that I'm a relatively new player to EVE - only a year of active play and most of the time I've spent dipping into low and trying to get the rare jewels you can find there. Whether it will be ratting in my absurdly fitted Cynabal or ninja mining in a Retriever (crazy, ain't i?), I've always noticed only a single time, when an organized corporation mining fleet jumped in with a Rorqual, several miners and combat escorts, probably to mine a nice grav site. And i kept wondering - if you can do that, why don't? Cant you get some friends to guard your backside while you do your stuff? Of course you can, but there's no reason to, as you can do pretty much the same all alone somewhere else. So, is the average EVE player that antisocial? Is the local chat intended only to spam your scams in trade hubs or shout insults at people you killed/refuse to fight you (I had one of those wannabe pirates trying to mock my aforementioned Cynabal for having a cloak)? Why I haven't met a single person that wants to play a vigilante in low sec? Isn't that what the first trailer of EVE i've ever seen presented it to be like?
In short, I would support ANY idea that will greatly incentivise, even force cooperative play. Sure, it could be just me lacking the social skills to make a nice lowsec mining fleet happen (an old dream of mine), but some help from game's design perspective is always nice. Just think of what was mentioned repeatedly during Fan Fest in different forms - CCP wants the players to drive game - not NPCs. If people need to be mildly forced into interacting with each other - so be it!

P.S.: Just to clarify why i mentioned the game driven by players vs NPC - isn't high sec exactly a place where NPCs take over a significant percentage of the gameplay, allowing us to play singe and in the meantime shout "I play the best MMO out there"?

I semi like this idea, the reason I dislike it is because knowing players these in between systems would become like Rancer or Amamake, that's not to say that the idea itself is bad though, 0.5 bottlenecks seem to be rather dangerous anyway if you are carrying valuables.

All in all I do strongly dislike the way eve just 'cuts off', and would prefer a more gradual slide of protection and benefits (blops allowed to jump in and out of 0.5s, killable concord or maybe just have the navy as system defence there instead in 0.4 and 0.5)

Its a tough one.

Earlier today I saw a freighter being escorted by players from the same corporation, this I find is extremely rare in highsec and is possibly because its so safe they don't usually feel the need to have an escort?

I like some elements of this idea., but I'd do it as such

Leave low sec mechanics the same so in space, anything goes, but as someone else stated, Border low sec gates should have faction police at the gates and any criminal activity would be punished accordingly.

These faction police would only be at border gates, not regular low sec gates.