Player Features and Ideas Discussion

"you are ignorant and prejudice" and "my opinion is the only 1 that counts" in a GAME seems to go well together. Nice.

Some people don't have the time to play your or Ted's style - why is that hard for people to grasp.

Seperating empires with lowsec would create a more lively and dynamic lowsec. That is fine for the portion of the players that like that sort of thing. Got anything for those that don't? I mean other than some ammo comming our way? Those that like that sort of thing are already there. It's a sandbox game, and some of the pirates are whining because no one wants to come play with them---in a game where play with them means a zero sum fun/no-fun scenario.


I'm not prejudiced. I just don't like playing in an area where my playstyle makes me a fat, easy kill. I don't even like passing through that area, because of the hassle that getting through there 'properly' entails. I can, I just don't want to, and as it's a sandbox, I should not have to.


Adding in a PITA and requiring most travel between game areas include dealing with mouth breathing baby eaters is just simply not a good idea for the majority of playstyles.

Lively and dynamic domestic markets. New challenges for international traders. Co-operative gameplay between merchants and white knights.

Pirates have never whined that nobody comes to lowsec, because there's plenty of targets in lowsec and very few are interested in shoothing helpless bears like fish in a barrel. You just spew more of your prejudiced ignorance.




You wouldn't have to. You can keep playing your "playstyle" in your secluded area of the sandbox just like you do now.




Fun fact: the mouth breathers all live in hisec. Suicide gankers, war deccers, undock "duellists", podkillers, scammers, new corp awoxers, mission gankers and runners all thrive under the anti-social protection of the omnipotent CONCORD. Lowsec, like the rest of the non-CONCORD areas of EVE are mostly populated by people who aren't scared to interact with others, enjoy challenging themselves in an environment where other players actually mean somethind and treat other players with respect when they deserve it.

Your only a fat easy kill if you are incompetent.

We are talking about the same game, right?

Lively and dynamic? Try skyrocketing prices and material shortages. New challenges? You mean like the exploding gate camps once everyone is forced through low sec? Cooperative gameplay between merchants and white knights? You mean big alliances own all international trade, and scam merc corps kill off the rest.





I am an active and mobile explorer/mission runner. My 'playstyle' involves moving from empire to empire on a regular basis to join friends in their preferred areas. I know more than a few that do as I do. A change of this nature would limit our options and destroy one of the most enjoyable aspects of EVE for me.





Pull the other one.

I have never been suicide ganked, the only war I've been in was in Null, the only undock games I have seen were in Low, Podkillers were also in Low, scammers are everywhere. I have avoided awoxers by only inviting personal friends to my corp. I've dealt with ninjas, but never been ganked except when I engaged foolishly in a mission. Almost all of the mouth breathing baby eaters I have had personal experience with have been in lowsec except for my local branch of TEARS. Ancedotal evidence from all of my circle of friends backs that up--- you don't go into lowsec with anything you expect to get back out in. Pass through to null, or stay in high... low sec is too much hassle to make any amount of potential ISK worth it, unless I'm going in looking for a fight. It's fine for that--- unless the pirates realize you are there for them and not in PvE boats.

You can paint Low as some sort of idyllic paradise of fascinating game play if you want, but the fact remains that the vast bulk of the players stay out of it because all of that lively interaction you seem so fond of is one sided and weighted against doing anything but PvP. For a player like myself, Low is wasted space given over to the most toxic elements of the game. Their actions may insulate EVE from the sort of gold farming pay to win setups that plague other games, which is why I stick with EVE, but the fact is those elements consider the victimization of their fellow player as their version of fun, and most will choose to stay as far from that sort as possible given the choice---which is what this proposal wants to remove.





Or if I choose to play the game rather than run everytime a neut shows up in local. That is the core of the problem--- if I could be competant while also playing the part of the game I enjoy, I would have no issue with what you propose. As things stand now, the idea is bad. If things change, so does the merit of the idea.





Nobody is forced to do anything---except travel through lowsec if they want to leave their current empire space with any degree of certainty knowing where they are going. Some missioners hump the same agent for months, but I and my friends aren't among them. The rest will alter dramatically as the logistics of transport change, and not for the good of anyone but the pirates.

The benefit of higher profits in lowsec already exist, and any that feel it is worth the hassle can already exploit that.

How? If ccp Added 10 routes between each empire it would be nearly impossible for goonswarm to camp them all, then you still have jump freighters, and wormhole based ships that slip through.

Then permenatly stationing those resources their would probably not net them much isk, burn jita was barely sustainable for a weekend, the ice interdiction directly made goonswarm money, and suicide ganking makes isk for their line members. Gate camping for hours along one of many routes would probably be ungodly boring. Not to mention would that route be the route used by morons? It's extremely unlikely that big alliance could and would bother.
I mean even EC-P8R isn't camped constantly, and it requires far less effort to camp than a low sec gate.

Im just going to give up trying to be nice to carebears completely in this thread and say, anyone who has sworn to never go to lowsec because they are scared is a total moron who fears it due to their ignorance of how easy it is to travel through and unfounded fears.
K, and also I did not expect everyone to go through low sec, this is supposed to be a trade limiter.


I have already said probably 5 times why Caldari space would not be concentrated and you seem to ignore my points every time.

Solitude is empty because it has absolutely 0 advantage over gallente space other than nobody lives their.

If everyone lived in caldari space then caldari ores, LP items, and ice would be ******* insanely cheap. All station slots would have 4 year long ques, it would suck balls.
If carebears move to other empires, then war dec corps will follow. If their is a high demand for replacement goods traders will follow.

So if items in other empires are more valuable, that means living in other space has an advantage, unlike solitude.
So your point is not thought through and ignorant.

The reason everyone is in Jita is because it is so easy to get to other empires. Having a central super hub is convenient since the money it saves is so great versus the time their is no reason not to. I believe in the 2012 fanfest or maybe 2011 the CCP economist deduced that excluding Jita the populations in the empires are equal in population.
Jita might remain the biggest hub after this change if large alliance would continue to purchase their goods from there.

ah another pirate boost :(
i wonder why these so called "pirates" think it is everybodies best interest to let pirates freely rampage
if you want to make pirating more realistic ,then do this:
every empire station closes its doors to pirates , shots pirates on sight and send out patrol fleets to hunt them down even in low sec ,no more cloneing on empire related stations
and this should apply to everyone who supports the pirates with ships ammo or even isk,
also looted items should be flagged as pirated and in high sec police would start questioning where did you get the items :D
maybe add a black market thingy so you can trade those pirated items

so if you are a pirate ,then you have to live under a pos or criminal org station aka npc 0.0


do this then ask for more options to pirating
oh wait you suddenly dont like to become a real pirate? I thought you wanted than not just
LET ME SHOOT MORE PEOPLE THAT WONT FIRE BACK bruhuhu

your the one subscribed to it giving me bumps.

I hate this idea. What really determines what is secure, and unsecure space, is concords willingness to patroll it, and the four empire's support and funding for concord to do so. Without full highsec connectivity between the trade hubs, and other key locations, diplomatic missions, trade convoys, and more, would be highly dangerous, and would result in heavy losses for the empires. Additionally, the Caldari State and Amarr Empire are allied, as are the Minmatar ductape-ublic, and Gallente Cesspit, for them not to have fully policed and patrolled connections between their empires, is nonsensical.

This idea is poorly thought out, not just on a lore perspective, but the damage it would cause to the game, that would affect all areas.