EVE General Discussion

What's the term all the kids are using these days?

Ah, yes...

Pure Awesomesauce!

Mostly, the ignorance of that statement, which afaik has nothing to do with any of Newtons laws. Also, Newtons laws are relatively simple; there isn't any good reason to complicate them, and I'd say he did more than that.

Delta p/ Delta t is a reference to a variable change of pressure over a variable period of time. (upper case)Sigma f is Sum of frequency, where f = frequency. F = Force.

How exactly does that make sense? I'm terrible at math, and all I need to do is google it.

So his first formula could be read as the Sum of frequency is equal to a change of pressure over a period of time. Not much to do with Newtons Laws if read that way.

ΣF=ma is the correct form, with the slanted ma indicating a vector according to the documentation I've read. Also read as Force is equal to mass times acceleration. Very little to do with pressure, frequency, or the like there.

So unless I'm missing something, it isn't exactly right is it?

Either way, I probably wouldn't have said anything were it not for the "gtfo noob". In hindsight however, after actually reading the post and seeing the general attitude, it isn't as if he were actually being intentionally offensive, but more like he intended it in a non-offensive manner.

Someone needs to study more.

edit:

ΣF = Δp/Δt is correct too apparently, with p = momentum in this case, and the expression being a change in momentum. This is apparently how Newton himself expressed his 2nd Law. (Love how they change meanings willy nilly in math; makes it so fun to learn)

p = mv (mementum = kg * m/s)

ΣF = ma = m(Δv/Δt)


Still, that f should have been capitalized.

I did mention it being midnight and the failure to capitalize some letters is hardly surprising. However given the context in which the formula were used, no-one should have a problem with understanding the p = momentum and not pressure and that f = force and not frequency. The GTFO noob was in reference to if you wanted a tldr then you wern't getting one. There was nothing derogatory about it intended.

Very good video lecture by Professor Phil Moriarty's.

If you like physic and games, must see, Professor mention mass, vielocity, quantum momentum, wormholes etc, its about how games works it self due to physis, and how games imitate physis.

Physics of Portal 2

I loved the physics model in those games! It was awesome to be able to use a Saitek Joystick, and have the hat control configured to thrusters, and do some awesome manoevers and flying :)

EVE is set 21.000 years in the future. I think that with that kind of far future technology, EVE engineers are able to break some of the fundamental laws of nature. Like breaking spacetime continuum (for jump drives). So breaking something trivial like thermodynamic laws is easy

I thought only Darwin's law of 'survival of the fittest' held true in Eve?

Newtons first law :- Don't sit under apple tree (if you do refer to newtons second law)

Newtons second law :- Seek medical advice

Newtons third law :- Report accident to the right authority

Newton's first law applies to bodies in motion through space. Perhaps our EVE ships do not move through space, and in fact, sit perfectly still in space and instead move the space in which they sit.

Perhaps there is no damage from collision, because our ships do not actually collide... perhaps it is the spaces in which we sit perfectly still, that are colliding with each other. This would explain why I am 0 meters from that acceleration gate or station, even when I can still be moving towards it... I'm in the same space as it, though have not contacted it yet.....


So, perhaps Newton's law does apply to bodies in motion through space, like bullets... but simply does not apply to bodies at rest, within a moving are of space.....


I think the real question is a stealth "nerf bumping" thread.

A stabber with a mass of 11million kg is (sitting still in space that is) moving at 1000 m/sec hits (the space that a) mining barge (is in) that has a mass of 20 million kg. Assuming a perfectly elastic collision where all the momentum from the stabber('s space) is transfered to the mining barge('s space), the stabber should end up not moving while the mining barge goes flying off at (11/20 * 1000 =) 550 m/sec.

Put a couple 1600mm plates on the stabber to up its mass to 16 million kg, and you'd get something closer to (16/20 *1000 =) 800 m/sec for the mining barge.

Not questioning your equation because I would actually have to calculate it according to Newtons Laws to see if it was accurate.

However, the application of Newton's Laws, (and/or real physics), in this case would apply more like this:

The Force acting on the Stabber would transfer to the Mining Barge on impact, and that Force would apply against the Mining Barges mass as acceleration. It would only apply for the Duration of the impact and separation of the 2 vessels however, and it would be subject to decrease of Force applied through the impact as a result of crushing forces applied to the Hulls of both vessels.

You did mention of course, that the example was a perfect transfer of net force, but that never rally happens, with energy being absorbed through the creation of heat, sound, damage, and various other things. Even Newton's Cradle doesn't perfectly transfer Force; not accounting for environmental resistance, it will eventually come to a halt as it's energy is depleted by the production of heat and sound.

It is a good example though. In EVE, we can almost assume that Force is applied in Bumping, much like this model, without accounting for the relative mass of the objects involved. That is how it appears to me anyway, yet, I recall that bumpers usually recommend fitting an armored plate which in fact slows you down, while increasing the mass of your ship.

Perhaps the effect is calculate on your ship, but not relevant to the mass of the target ship? I've not done a lot of bumping, so I can't be certain. Might be an interesting experiment to take a ship out and line up a bunch of ships of different mass, then test both the effect of an added plate, and the effect on higher mass ships.

Really, a Stabber with an MWD and a Plate should knock a shuttle flying. Not sure it does though.

Irregardless of that, the bumped object will come to a halt shortly after, despite a lack of known resistance force being applied to it. Might we then assume stabilizers automatically compensate and act as a resistance force on the ship to slow it down and bring it to a halt? I think that might be the simplest explanation.

Why can't we shut them off?