EVE New Citizens Q&A

And yet the two orgainisations that do accept very low skill pilots - Test and Goonswarm - seem to be dominating the galaxy.

The stuff in the general access hangars shouldnt matter. The strategic assets should be locked down where the rank and file cant get to them - and by the time our not-lazy corp thief has refueled enough POS and whatnot to get the roles they need, then it doesnt matter if they started with 500k skill points or 8 million.

As it is, the OP seems to have fallen on his feet with people who are prepared to put the work into training newbies, because it is true, holding the hands of 5 newbies on an op is annoying.

But after you do it a few times, then they stop being newbies.

Nice sounding point but poorly thought out and more designed to sound flashy.

I train a group of new players on a daily basis and have been told train them well. My corp has also done well off the backs of new players as well as old. My point remains valid because MOST corps function differently to Goons and Test. After it passes a certain size and becomes a blob fest, a corp can relax on the individual skills of its newer members. This is not a system that can work for a smaller corp since each member has more actual responsibility.

SP minimums have been proven time and time again to be a worthwhile thing for corps to do. Remember noobs, you are still noobs at 4mil SP and still need much training. Difference really being you might survive the training.

While this is a tangent from the original poster's questions I would like to address it.

A minimum skill point value is no substitute for an interview process and getting to know a player. This has nothing to do with 'never been in a corp that owns anything remotely worth saving' since a skill point minimum doesn't prevent corp theft. If someone is serious about stealing from a corp then they will buy a character above the skill minimum. That isn't hard at all. They would be spending ~2 billion to bypass the minimum skill requirement. Does it remove -lazy- corp thieves, sure, but an interview would serve just as well to do that.

Corps are about people and people interacting. If a corporation does not want new players in it that is easy to determine in an interview. If a corporation doesn't want PvPers in it then, again, that is easy to determine in an interview. If a corp is concerned about potential thieves then, once more, an interview will get a better sense of that than a skill point minimum.

Basically, a corp that takes the time to talk to perspective members, has solid security rights, and maintains a probationary trial time will be far better off than a corp who tries to rely on minimum skill points.

Over the years I have met some incredible new players who take the time to learn about EVE and explore how the game works. I have also met a lot of 'high skill point' characters who don't seem to know anything. The point here is this: Skill points only indicate how many skill points a character has they don't indicate the actual skill, attitude, or ability of the player. They do not reveal if play times match, if play styles match, if attitudes work together, or if play styles are similar.

I'd rather have good -players- in a corporation over high skill point value characters with players who are annoying, whiny, and / or obnoxious.

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And most serious corporations do the same.

As for security, trust NOBODY.

If you get a thief that steals your entire corp hangar and wallets, you trusted someone you shouldn't fully trust.
I know corps who won't give anybody besides the founders full access to the corp.

POS managers can fuel the POS, not take it down. If they need stuff taken down, they can ask one of the founding guys who can do it.

Builders can USE the blueprints, but can't move them. If they need them moved, they have to ask a founding guy to do it.

Some call it being paranoid, I call that proper security.