Jita Park Speakers Corner

What about expanding the role of titans to deliberately include blapping subcaps?

Or allowing logistics to repair HICs? Tackle dreads might be worthwhile if there was a capital tackle module whose only purpose was to prevent jump drives from functioning.

Logistics can already repair HICs, you just have to operate in tandem with other HIC to maintain points - which makes for a more complex and interesting tactical situation. We don't want the game dumbed down further where more HICs survive and less people commit SC.

The questions seem to operate under the assumption that SC rarely die because they have too easy a time to escape, while in reality SC "rarely" die because as with everything else there's little incentive to commit them from an unfavourable position. Very few groups are ballsy enough to use them as equalizers. It's more common to see them played as a stake rush when you have a good hand. Unlike many other ships in EVE, the loss of one also often hurt a wallet.

Thanks, but I don't really agree with corestwo's opinoins though.

I do see it as a viable nerf to supers and stuff, if compression was nerfed. If players found a way around it, it would be by doing a ton of work, which really isn't a way around things at all.

Also don't really care about the rate of super deaths or how many there are I suppose, just annoying that it is too easy to get one. But that is a wierder point though.

I mostly made my post off of corestwo's post though, about how the miners and industry peeps would have to carry the null sec residents if compression was nerfed. Suppose, with some of his opinions he wouldn't allow anyone to carry him though. Personally I don't think I could ever support super production really, but BS sized hulls would be worth debating over.

It's there already: Escalations. However, I see no reason why the escalation chance should be as low as it is right now. And it should be easy code to just increase that chance significantly.

I'm shocked you would suggest such a thing! ;p

Supers already have a maintenance cost atm: PLEX. Because the character cant leave that ship, using a super on your "main" is rare indeed. So 600m/month. Now if you COULD leave it safely maybe some kind of in-game upkeep would make sense

Well, sort of.

Issues are:

1. People need more of a reason to use them beyond structure bashing. "Drop them on other people's supers" is another reason, but it's always going to be a reason unless their offensive capabilities are removed entire.

2. Supercaps are devilishly hard to actually pin down. Part of that is due to a willingness to sacrifice an entire support fleet to scrape off the only ships able to tackle them.

And so proposed solutions are:

1: ??? Lots of talk about increasing or changing role, nothing firm.

2: Let caps (or dreads with a special module, or whatever) tackle supers.

IDK if I like the tone of the report. It leaves me with “**** empire space, 0.0 is only thing important” after-taste. I find it quite dishonest to claim that empire space is more profitable then 0.0 space. This is simply not true, unless one counts market speculation and trading, but I don't think those should count.

And despite their focus on 0.0 as on most important part of the game they ignored 2 biggest problems of 0.0 space: blobbing and fact that something like 2 to 4 (depending on how one counts) mega coalitions control all of sov space in 0.0 and that nobody that is unwilling to suckup to handful of oligarchs running those coalitions has any place in sov 0.0. Both of those problems are consequence of excessive speed of travel in 0.0. It takes about as much time to transit from one corner of 0.0 to another in carrier blob as it takes to transit from one corner of empire space to another in interceptor.. If one is serious about improving 0.0 he must first deal with mechanic that make fast travel in that space possible: cyno, jump bridges and titan bridging.

That said there are some proposals that I like: Farms and Fields sov mechanics, diversifying 0.0 (although I don’t know why CSM thins this should be exclusive to 0.0 alone, any part of New Eden could benefit from that), Standings and the Map (UI) , and Breaking Mineral Compression.

There's an echo in here.

Why would someone only have one character on an account? Why would only Titan piloting accounts be considered to be paying an "upkeep" of an account subscription?

I disbelieve.

Here's what actually happens: you have accounts that have titan flying pilots on them. In some cases, that is in fact the only viable character on the account, and the account is shared by an alliance (because why spend the money on a Titan when the player is only on two hours a day, four days a week?). In other cases, there are one or two other characters on the account: for example a hisec ice mining alt and a destroyer-flying ganking alt, which are perfectly usable for those times when the player (who is — incredibly — the only user of the account) doesn't want to be a titan.

The argument that the upkeep for a Titan pilot is 1 PLEX a month is bogus to start with: all accounts cost that kind of upkeep, even the new player who has just started and can only fly frigates with poor tank and DPS has to pay for that account somehow.

A Faction Warfare alt costs more "upkeep" than a Titan flying alt, because the FW alt will lose ships and need to replace them. The Titan/Supercarrier alt isn't losing ships.

Someone might want to come to fleet ops in a regular ship while they dawdle in their titan, which means two accounts, an extra account which they might not actually have.

Most super pilots also tend to maintain their own network of cyno and scout alts too, for that matter.


I don't think anyone is saying that empire space is unimportant and indeed many things in this would likely be a boon to empire as well. What's being said is that null has been neglected for quite some time and has glaring structural issues that have been unaddressed throughout the entire game.


Large coalitions have existed in the past and often throughout the entire game. The old "Southern Coalition" of Lokta Volterra, Veritas Immortalis and KOS numbered some ten thousand players, for example. The old "Northern Coalition" in all its myriad incarnations was similarly sized. Two things have changed. First, the servers have grown and been refined to actually allow players to work together (or against each other) in increasingly large numbers. No one wants to revert this. And second, the out-of-game coordination and infrastructure supporting these coalitions has grown increasingly more sophisticated, something CCP can't do anything about anyway.


Uh...based on your extensive, what, 16 months of playing this game wherein you've played with such carrier blob using superstars as "Ubuntu Inc" that would qualify you to actually say something like this?

Look. Goons conquered everything from Scalding Pass to Detorid before jump bridges and titan bridges ever existed, with just very dedicated carrier pilot or two doing out logistics. The argument that players can only conquer and hold large amounts of space because of titan bridges, jump bridges and cynos is laughable


A recent (within the past month, I'm having trouble finding news coverage) fight between SOLAR and RA that escalated to include HBC and others joining in on both sides featured over a hundred supers on the field and many hundreds of other players on both sides.

A total of 7 supers died, and for that type of engagement that's actually exceptional.