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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#261 - 2012-11-18 19:00:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathalie LaPorte
Tippia wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
No, you are putting words in my mouth that I have not said. The above is not my position.
Your position is that telling people the consequences of their explicit suggestions is a strawman, whereas assuming that they have other unmentioned suggestions to go with it is not.


There you go again.

Quote:
"the Jita-undock counter". Is there a canonical form of this counter you are referencing?
Quote:
The same one you're using.


But I'm not "using" only one form. Looks like you're having a 'counter counting' issue.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2012-11-18 19:02:00 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
No, you are putting words in my mouth that I have not said. The above is not my position.
Your position is that telling people the consequences of their explicit suggestions is a strawman, whereas assuming that they have other unmentioned suggestions to go with it is not.


There you go again.

Quote:
"the Jita-undock counter". Is there a canonical form of this counter you are referencing?
Quote:
The same one you're using.


But I'm not using only one form. Looks like you're having a 'counter counting' issue.

This is really, really interesting. Do carry on.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#263 - 2012-11-18 19:03:00 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
There you go again.
Yes, explaining things the way they are is kind of what I do all the time.

Quote:
But I'm not using only one form.
You seem to suggest that it is since you're making such a blanket statement about its use.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#264 - 2012-11-18 19:03:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
There you go again.
Yes, explaining things the way they are is kind of what I do all the time.

Quote:
But I'm not using only one form.
You seem to suggest that it is since you're making such a blanket statement about its use.

This is also very interesting. Do carry on.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#265 - 2012-11-18 19:09:26 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
This is also very interesting. Do carry on.
Don't worry, it seems to be simmering down to the usual lull given how much he skipped… Blink
Mag's
Azn Empire
#266 - 2012-11-18 19:11:49 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
There you go again.
Just admit you were wrong, it'll save time and face.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#267 - 2012-11-18 19:18:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathalie LaPorte
Tippia wrote:
Quote:
But I'm not using only one form.
You seem to suggest that it is since you're making such a blanket statement about its use.


By blanket statement, you're meaning where I split up its use into multiple categories, with further subdivisions? Very funny :)

Tippia wrote:
No, by blanket statement, I mean where you call it “the jita undock strawman” (singular) when someone used the carnage of the Jita 4-4 undock as an example of the bad consequences of a suggestion to add collision damage — i.e. as a counter to an explicit statement.


He edited that post and I deleted my reply. You saying that I'm "making such a blanket statement", referring to a post which I've since deleted, is nonsensical.

Tippia wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
This is also very interesting. Do carry on.
Don't worry, it seems to be simmering down to the usual lull given how much he skipped… Blink


If only I'd started skipping replying to you with your first attempt to troll me here. Go on, declare victory because you're willing to post longer than anyone else, you win, congrats, enjoy.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#268 - 2012-11-18 19:25:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
By blanket statement, you're meaning where I split up its use into multiple categories, with further subdivisions?
No, by blanket statement, I mean where you call it “the jita undock strawman” (singular) when someone used the carnage of the Jita 4-4 undock as an example of the bad consequences of a suggestion to add collision damage — i.e. as a counter to an explicit statement. No categories; no “naïveté”; no subdivisions — just a standard counter erroneously tagged as a fallacy even though it failed to exhibit any of the characteristics of that fallacy.

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If only I'd started skipping replying to you with your first attempt to troll me here.
Too bad that I don't troll.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#269 - 2012-11-18 19:28:19 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Oh those? Notice the plastic wraps, they are like scratch lotto tickets.

Sometimes you get lucky ~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#270 - 2012-11-18 19:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ong
Allow freighters to use damage controls

Retards that afk still die, those that dont have a chance.

/thread
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#271 - 2012-11-18 19:34:13 UTC
Ong wrote:
Allow freighters to use damage controls

Retards that afk still die, those that dont have a chance.

/thread

Only if they can also put a cargo expander in there .... heh

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#272 - 2012-11-18 19:35:39 UTC
Ong wrote:
Allow freighters to use damage controls

Retards that afk still die, those that dont have a chance.

/thread

Give a freighter a low slot, and that low slot will be filled with a cargohold expander. And they'll keep whining, because that expander is necessary to optimize their playtime.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Holy One
Privat Party
#273 - 2012-11-18 19:36:23 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Holy One wrote:
Its pretty straight forward really - don't freight afk. Do use a webbing frigate.
No more tears(tm).

It really is about time we had a cull on these 'I want to afk eve and demand anyone who plays the game be nerfed' threads, they give new players a really skewed perspective of what eve is and what you can reasonably expect to encounter.


You are either an idiot, incapable of understanding, or simply another propagandist.
Given the tactics used today by griefers, flying point to point or not or flying afk is irrelevant.



Yeah OK. I have to hear the same nonsense from people encountering their first stop bubble. The fact is you need to know how the play the game. Start with monitoring local, progress to avoiding Uedama and graduate to not being mad on forums bro.

:)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#274 - 2012-11-18 19:36:58 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Ong wrote:
Allow freighters to use damage controls

Retards that afk still die, those that dont have a chance.

/thread

Give a freighter a low slot, and that low slot will be filled with a cargohold expander. And they'll keep whining, because that expander is necessary to optimize their playtime.

Ironically, it would make them easier to gank.

Then CCP would just buff their EHP and bake in resists and a bigger cargohold into the freighter, ala Mackinaw et al


Op success.

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Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#275 - 2012-11-18 19:37:39 UTC
Newsflash wrote:
14 freighters/jf suicide ganked in empire last 24h by just handful of ships in every gank. 10 bc do it easily or 20 destroyers... this thing is just escalating by day. ccp time to do something about easiness and huge profit and neglible risk suicideganking these big ships offers.


Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lost one Charon full of trit yesterday.


Successful troll success.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#276 - 2012-11-18 19:38:47 UTC
I'm not going to get a link to that kill, am I?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#277 - 2012-11-18 19:43:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ong wrote:
Allow freighters to use damage controls

/thread
That would require a nerf to their cargo capacity, which haulers would then compensate for by fitting cargo expanders, thereby making the ships (much) less sturdy.

edit: Bah! Way too slow… but at least a false-snipe to show for it.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#278 - 2012-11-18 19:44:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
That would require a nerf to their cargo capacity, which haulers would then compensate for by fitting cargo expanders, thereby making the ships (much) less sturdy.


Exactly what you want: easy gank targets and a lot of profit
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#279 - 2012-11-18 19:48:23 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Exactly what you want: easy gank targets and a lot of profit
Why would I want that?
More to the point, why would any freighter pilot want it (and it's usually they who ask for it)?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#280 - 2012-11-18 19:51:28 UTC
nobody has explained why freighters need more EHP

nobody has explained why suicide ganking needs yet /another/ nerf (remember, we have another set of suicide ganking nerfs coming in less than two weeks!)

nobody has explained why freighters need to carry several times their hull cost in cargo on autopilot for the game to be "right"

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