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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2012-11-18 15:53:22 UTC
Get a room, you two.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2012-11-18 15:59:36 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Get a room, you two.


It'll never happen. I'm no good at sharing.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#183 - 2012-11-18 16:04:19 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Get a room, you two.

Can you ~feel~ the love ~tonight~ in the General Discussion ~forums~~~

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#184 - 2012-11-18 16:04:42 UTC
UAxSunShine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
UAxSunShine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?


I honestly think people are talking about this killmail.

Yes, I've seen that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was that one, but that's still just 202227.25m3. The guy claimed it was a full freighter of nothing but trit. So I'm still calling "it doesn't exist" until someone coughs up a proper, api-verified killmail with nothing but trit in it.


I've been monitoring the killboards and nothings shown up recently with "just trit". Is it even possible to have a value of a freighter that provides a chance of a reward when it contains only trit?


You'd be stupid to have a freighter full of only trit instead of compressing it in to T1 large guns. which is done to transport trit.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#185 - 2012-11-18 16:11:54 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Are you really that hell bent on making EVE so unattractive to all but the extreme minimum it takes to keep the servers up?

You seem to be hellbent on presenting the ganking of a few ships as oh god this will kill eve. This is a fallacy.


To some degree but EVE is an old game and has a very bad reputation for being full of antisocial misfits. Like you.

You damage EVE when EVE needs new blood. You are selfish. You could be in any 0.0 sec doing roams, not to take Sov, just for PvP. No, you chose to sit in one system and exploit human flaw and ruin a game for others. You won't be missed. You won't be welcome in any other MMO either. They would put you out on your ear in the blink of an eye.

You twist EVE in to something it wasn't supposed to be. A place with a complete lack of common sense or dignity.

Keep your stuff. Donate it to one of the people you griefed.

Hey buddy, you're the problem.

You're the reason people think that about EVE. Look at your posting. It's all "omg, pvp". Where do you think people who don't play EVE get that impression from.
People like you.

People like you will kill EVE, not pvp.

Just quit already, it's obvious you're not interested in EVE.
Ghazu
#186 - 2012-11-18 16:13:52 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Ocih wrote:

In that respect GS have the upper hand. They show how broken EVE is. I'm sure CCP would just as soon see them do it in other ways but it all comes out in the wash.


Hmm, what's been the lowest cargo freigther gank done in the last 2 months?
If it's >= 1B then the game is not broken.

We do gank red freighters and JFs for much less.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2012-11-18 16:17:05 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Ocih wrote:

In that respect GS have the upper hand. They show how broken EVE is. I'm sure CCP would just as soon see them do it in other ways but it all comes out in the wash.


Hmm, what's been the lowest cargo freigther gank done in the last 2 months?
If it's >= 1B then the game is not broken.

We do gank red freighters and JFs for much less.


Hey, a kill is a kill, right?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#188 - 2012-11-18 16:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathalie LaPorte
Mallak Azaria wrote:
UAxSunShine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
UAxSunShine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?


I honestly think people are talking about this killmail.

Yes, I've seen that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was that one, but that's still just 202227.25m3. The guy claimed it was a full freighter of nothing but trit. So I'm still calling "it doesn't exist" until someone coughs up a proper, api-verified killmail with nothing but trit in it.


I've been monitoring the killboards and nothings shown up recently with "just trit". Is it even possible to have a value of a freighter that provides a chance of a reward when it contains only trit?


You'd be stupid to have a freighter full of only trit instead of compressing it in to T1 large guns. which is done to transport trit.


But...to get the trit to the factory system where you're making the trit into T1 large guns, you'd move it in a ...freighter full of only trit.

In all seriousness, depending on the length of the route and how much you value factory slots, t1 large gun compression would probably not be worth the effort to move between 2 hisec systems, where you can cheaply hire out the transport--with proper setting of collateral, you'd then profit from every gank. gun compression is for moving to low/null, which you'd do in a JF not a freighter, so at that point we're completely offtopic.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2012-11-18 16:30:46 UTC
Make no mistake, that was probably minerals for a supercarrier.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
UAxSunShine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#190 - 2012-11-18 16:32:37 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


"Which is probably stems from their everyday life where they are very rarely acknowledged and usually overlooked and ignored."

You don't know anything about their everyday life.

"Which in turn is likely justified because they have no redeeming qualities in their personality"

You don't know enough about their personality to make this either a justification or a conclusion.

"have no ability to take any kind of responsibility for their failures and refuse to approach any issues with an objective view"

Now, I can see why this would be relevant if you were talking specifically about using the forums to complain instead of doing something about their problems in-game, but when you start your post with "probably stems from their everyday life" it becomes antagonistic and presumptuous, and not just a little arrogant.

Those kinds of posts are disgusting, and they don't reflect well on your argument at all.



You've raised those points already and I believe I've provided suitable rebuttals to counter your arguments. There is really nothing left to say to you but I shall provide you with some light viewing that you might find informative and skills that provide you with the tools to argue properly, both on the internet and in real life.

The "straw man" fallacy.


Also i'm down to get rid of this sexual tension. Bring some lotion unless you want me to go in dry.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#191 - 2012-11-18 16:34:09 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Ocih wrote:

In that respect GS have the upper hand. They show how broken EVE is. I'm sure CCP would just as soon see them do it in other ways but it all comes out in the wash.


Hmm, what's been the lowest cargo freigther gank done in the last 2 months?
If it's >= 1B then the game is not broken.

We do gank red freighters and JFs for much less.


Have some KB to share?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2012-11-18 16:46:40 UTC
UAxSunShine wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


"Which is probably stems from their everyday life where they are very rarely acknowledged and usually overlooked and ignored."

You don't know anything about their everyday life.

"Which in turn is likely justified because they have no redeeming qualities in their personality"

You don't know enough about their personality to make this either a justification or a conclusion.

"have no ability to take any kind of responsibility for their failures and refuse to approach any issues with an objective view"

Now, I can see why this would be relevant if you were talking specifically about using the forums to complain instead of doing something about their problems in-game, but when you start your post with "probably stems from their everyday life" it becomes antagonistic and presumptuous, and not just a little arrogant.

Those kinds of posts are disgusting, and they don't reflect well on your argument at all.



You've raised those points already and I believe I've provided suitable rebuttals to counter your arguments. There is really nothing left to say to you but I shall provide you with some light viewing that you might find informative and skills that provide you with the tools to argue properly, both on the internet and in real life.

The "straw man" fallacy.


Also i'm down to get rid of this sexual tension. Bring some lotion unless you want me to go in dry.


Strawman? Seriously? Do you even know what that is?

Link me the post where I've ignored your actual position and substituted a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. That's a strawman. I haven't concerned myself with your position on freighter pilots, except to point out the difference between risk and stupidity. That was covered. I was, however, pointing out that your position would be better delivered without the spiteful expatiation about what kind of people they must be in real life - do you really expect them to respond well to that? Or was that your intention - to just make them angry? Why, that would be trolling, wouldn't it?

As it turns out, we actually share similar positions - if you bottom line it, remove the particulars, then we share the same position exactly, and that is that freighter pilots have nothing to whine about.

As for the innuendo.... I've picked things more precious than you from between my toes. There is no sexual tension, dear. You aren't even close to my type.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Oopsy Bear
Doomheim
#193 - 2012-11-18 16:47:02 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
So, in other words, the only way to "fix this exploit" is to completely remove any and all bumping in the game?


Bumping should be allowed, it should just make more sense. A frigate going 5km/s should explode into scrap when it flies directly into a freighter. Contrast this with what actually occurs in game right now.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#194 - 2012-11-18 16:50:51 UTC
Lorna Mood wrote:
I've lost a freighter to this exploit, and yes, using the bumping mechanic to get the kill IS an exploit.
You're wrong, it's not an exploit.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2012-11-18 16:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Oopsy Bear wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
So, in other words, the only way to "fix this exploit" is to completely remove any and all bumping in the game?


Bumping should be allowed, it should just make more sense. A frigate going 5km/s should explode into scrap when it flies directly into a freighter. Contrast this with what actually occurs in game right now.


Now picture the undock at Jita 4-4 as small ships come flying out and bumping into larger ones... or as ships are warping in to bookmarked points at the undock. Just picture the chaos... the death and destruction ;) that is, if you are suggesting collision damage, there are a wide range of physics issues that would have to be tended to to implement these ships "exploding into scrap" and it's just not cost effective when there are already means available to players to avoid being bumped. Such as not being AFK, or on AP.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Alara IonStorm
#196 - 2012-11-18 16:58:13 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Now picture the undock at Jita 4-4 as small ships come flying out and bumping into larger ones... or as ships are warping in to bookmarked points at the undock. Just picture the chaos... the death and destruction ;) that is, if you are suggesting collision damage, there are a wide range of physics issues that would have to be tended to to implement these ships "exploding into scrap" and it's just not cost effective when there are already means available to players to avoid being bumped. Such as not being AFK, or on AP.

I am imagining Cribba putting the Veldnaught in siege mode with Reppers in front of the Amarr dock. People coming online and undocking into the side of it like throwing eggs on a barn.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#197 - 2012-11-18 16:59:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Riddick Liddell wrote:
And I still make more sense than you, clinging to this half baked idea that EVE can work when people don't use self control to restrict the damage they do. I'm out numbered here, being ganked in to the ground and while I do care, not enough to fight battles CCP have chosen not to fight.

If it's OK with them, it's OK with me. You still missed the point in me debating you. Maybe EVE is healthy as a horse. If so, carry on. Maybe this is what they want.
So if we take the sense you are making and apply it to other games, it should work out just fine.

You say people should use self control, to restrict the damage they do. So if I play chess with someone and can take their queen, I should have self control and not do it. Just in case I upset them.

If I'm playing poker and have a royal flush, I should fold just in case I win that hand and take the other guys money.

Yea, I can see that all makes a lot of sense. You keep talking sense and never stop posting please. Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2012-11-18 17:00:22 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Now picture the undock at Jita 4-4 as small ships come flying out and bumping into larger ones... or as ships are warping in to bookmarked points at the undock. Just picture the chaos... the death and destruction ;) that is, if you are suggesting collision damage, there are a wide range of physics issues that would have to be tended to to implement these ships "exploding into scrap" and it's just not cost effective when there are already means available to players to avoid being bumped. Such as not being AFK, or on AP.

I am imagining Cribba putting the Veldnaught in siege mode with Reppers in front of the Amarr dock. People coming online and undocking into the side of it like throwing eggs on a barn.


If you need someone there to take pictures, I'm you guy Blink

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#199 - 2012-11-18 17:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathalie LaPorte
*post which I replied to was edited, deleting this post*
Oopsy Bear
Doomheim
#200 - 2012-11-18 17:02:00 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Oopsy Bear wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
So, in other words, the only way to "fix this exploit" is to completely remove any and all bumping in the game?


Bumping should be allowed, it should just make more sense. A frigate going 5km/s should explode into scrap when it flies directly into a freighter. Contrast this with what actually occurs in game right now.


Now picture the undock at Jita 4-4 as small ships come flying out and bumping into larger ones... or as ships are warping in to bookmarked points at the undock. Just picture the chaos... the death and destruction ;) that is, if you are suggesting collision damage, there are a wide range of physics issues that would have to be tended to to implement these ships "exploding into scrap" and it's just not cost effective when there are already means available to players to avoid being bumped. Such as not being AFK, or on AP.


Then we agree that extremes are bad. So if my extreme of the ship exploding is stupid then why isn't the extreme of what happens now just as stupid? Perhaps there is some middle ground here.