EVE General Discussion

Well, it's an academic discussion at this point since we have no idea what CCP's plans with POSes and NPC stations are (yet).

FWIW: I lived in nullsec and tried to do manufacturing & marketing there. The coaliation kept issuing dictums along the lines of "you must sell within 10% of Jita prices" which meant that production costs could not be met. Then there was the blue-on-blue trouble from people who didn't feel that mining fleets had a place in null sec. Then there was the pressure to attend CTAs, with mining ships getting KoS when CTAs were announced (despite mining characters not being able to fly combat ships).

There is more than enough capacity to manufacture simply using assembly lines in POSes: it gets expensive but you can do it if you are allowed to charge reasonable prices for the products you manufacture.

The greatest impediment to industry in nullsec is not nullsec, it is the people who live there.

I'm sure he knows at least three people who have massive spreadsheets and talk about industry all the time :)

Well i'm more or less looking for facts since I see this statement used quite often as a fact really.

Many null-zealots may have an indy alt, but I do know many people as well that live solely in high sec and do nothing but manufacture.

I"m not looking to argue the statement really, I"m merely looking to see if it is something that has been proven true.

The only reason that 0.0 lacks trit is because the people that live there feel that they are above mining it. If you want trit in 0.0 then mine veld or HTFU and jump freighter it in. 0.0 industry isn't lacking because of game design, it's lacking because the people that live there want CCP to give them handouts and make 0.0 even easier than it already is.

At the refining rates we get in null, they pretty much are above mining it, to be quite frank.

I guess that's the other side of your coin.

Well maybe if instead of rampaging across the universe gobbling up everyones space you fortified a local logistics system you would be able to. Plenty of armies have failed because of just that premise. We have more people and better gear so let's attack everyone. Well if GSF falls because of not enough trit to build more supers, I say good.

there is no such thing as not being able to pilot a combat ship. every single ceptor is important. and if you cant fly those, prepare cynos with your twentyleven mining characters. or do probing. or make warpin/out spots with your covops, or make sure that those who died can buy a replacement ship from you (for a reasonable price ofc) to get back to the battlefield ASAP

oh, and i was not talking about jita prices, i was talking about reasonable prices

about the trust thing:

yes, there are people out there who trust you. but nobody trusts the dude who joined last week and would like to do some smallscale production and invention enough to give him the necessary rights to mainain his own pos. this simply does not happen

Have you actually flown in a nullsec fleet? It's harder to get people to trust you to light cynos than to get rights to anchor POSes. People are paranoid to the point that they will not jump to cynos they didn't light with their own alts, and even then they'll double-check.



Reasonable prices for the person running the factory are not always "reasonable" to the pilots blowing up a dozen cruisers and battleships every night.

And why the heck would nullsec industry rely on trusting "everyone" with the rights to anchor POSes? That's the most nonsensical strawman argument I've seen for some time.

yes, i have, you, however have obviously not




and thats mostly because the system is stupid



because you need these rights in order to set up and maintain enough production, research and invention slots

So much so that the workaround is altcorps.

Now with producing supercaps, you need sov, so I don't really know how that works out...