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Is EVE a journey worth starting?

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THX-1138 4EB
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-11-16 20:41:21 UTC
I'm new to the game but I'm an experienced gamer. In fact, I'm one of the originals going back to Pong so I've seen and done a lot of gaming... I checked out EVE for a long time before deciding to commit and play. And so far, I'm having a great time - as crazy as it sounds I've had dreams of exploring the cosmos since I was a child so the game is about as close as I will ever get.

I have not joined a corp - that's just my personality. I might one day but for now, I enjoy exploring and yes, learning things the hard way. Set backs and losing a fight from time to time make it that much more interesting to me... I don't mind getting killed or showing up with a knife to a gunfight once in a while - but I'm learning and I am getting better and crafty quickly.

That said, the more I read on this forum, the more I think that my goals might not be attainable. I won't share them here but I read about how the corporations and alliances pretty much own the game. I read posts about how it's virtually impossible to survive in 0.0 (or beyond) as a single player. It also sounds like the notion of doing anything substantial in the game is virtually impossible unless you join a corp and do their bidding. You're either a small time miner or you're canon fodder for the corp ships. I have no interest in spending all of my time mining veld in hi-sec for the rest of my life. I'm beginning to question if I should even invest the time. It seems that my future in the game is nothing more than an endless cycle of building ships and skills only to be met with sudden death the moment I move beyond Empire space! Sheesh. Is that as good as it gets for a solo player?

I'm not looking for validation on my goals - I know what I want to get out of the game (for now) but I don't want to bang my head against a wall for a year trying to do the impossible either - I'm just looking for a little objective wisdom from someone who has been in the game for a while.

Respectfully,
THX -1138 4EB

Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy. 

Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#2 - 2012-11-16 20:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent R'lyeh
It really depends what you're after.

If you build your own ships to PvP in then yes you will pretty much be in a cycle of build ship, fly ship, loose ship with hopefully the odd kill in between.

You obviously don't want to mine or become a marker pvp'er but have you considered exploration as a career rather than just 'I enjoy exploring' <- Yes it is an officul carreeer ;)

It's an excellent solo career, lets you see the universe without being a member of a corp & brings travel, adventure & girls

*I may have lied about the girls............

then again are you sure you want nothing to do with corporations?

For example I'm a member of R1FTA - however we are mostly a corp purely for social reasons & the odd '**** I've tackled a Moros NO IM NOT F**** KIDDING' moments.

The rest of the time we fly solo or in small gangs.............

Eve is a sandbox, anyone that tells you that you need a corp to survive is full of sh1t

However it all depends on your goals

Pirate

I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#3 - 2012-11-16 21:21:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Do what you want to do and do it in a way you seem fit. It doesn't mean you should mine in wolfs and pvp in hulks but choose what and where and when you wanna do. And then just do it. And if you don't know something google until you know enough to ask some specific question not bazzillionth time of "what is best ship to do X".

And most important thing: have fun. When you don't have fun what's the point playing game?

As for corps - you don't really need them but they are helpful. First it's your corpies who will answer your questions, duel your test fits, point out obvious mistakes, go with you on a roam and save your a*s or die in a fire trying. At least this is how it should be (and is in BRRC Pirate). You can go on your own, even in null you can sneak around, but you won't have anybody to give you an intel on hostiles nearby or backup when things go wrong. It's thrilling experience and exhausting at the same time. And in null especially if you are doing anything else beside ratting for bounties without corp/alliance logistical support you will have hell of a time hauling stuff in and out.

My suggestion is hang around for some time, try things, look what is there. And it may be that Eve is not a game for you but at least you will be able to make a decision based on your own experiences not some emo-troll whine mental vomit spread around GD.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2012-11-16 21:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
It is possible to "solo" in EVE... it just won't be easy and there will be things you cannot do by yourself.

This is especially true when you are first starting out. Your character and player skills are at a level where you won't be able to take on more experienced players head-on... which means your only defenses are "laying low," diplomacy, and gaining allies.
That said... it's actually quite easy to "lay low" and avoid danger if you know what you are doing (which is a trial and error process) and diplomacy and allies go hand in hand, relying more on a player's interpersonal skills than anything else (making it an easy "skill" to master if you are not an asshat).

With regards to corps and alliances... there are as many of these as there are people and all have their own missions statements. Some will be "hardcore," having mandatory ops and requiring you to perform certain activities/roles... others really don't care what you do or where you do it, as long as you contribute in some way... and still others could care less what its members do, all the member are there just for social reasons.
Even though you have stated that you wish to run solo and "learn the hard way" I still recommend you find a corp (preferably one of the latter two types I mentioned)... because it'll make things infinitely easier when you run into the proverbial wall (and you will at some point).

Now... with your specialty... it sounds like you are doing both mining and "exploring"... don't do this. Pick one specialty at a time and master it before moving off to another one. EVE rewards this practice more so than those who pursue a "jack-of-all-trades" route early on.
My advice is to abandon mining altogether (it's soul crushing and I get the sense that you need a bit more stimulation from your games) and focus on "probing" and explortation.
Find "backwater" (see: lightly populated) systems and try finding different sites to hack, salvage, analyze, or destroy. The high-sec sites are generally pretty easy but are subject to high competition and low rewards.

If you need a ship... use your isk to buy ships and mods.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#5 - 2012-11-16 21:57:33 UTC
Technically speaking, no you can't play EvE solo. It's an MMO therefore you'll need friends. I fly "solo" most of the time...with 4 intel channels, 2 hang out channels with buds from all over the place, corp/pub/alliance channels, the 3 people in local I kill with sometimes .....
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-11-16 22:00:48 UTC
THX-1138 4EB wrote:

That said, the more I read on this forum, the more I think that my goals might not be attainable. I won't share them here but I read about how the corporations and alliances pretty much own the game. I read posts about how it's virtually impossible to survive in 0.0 (or beyond) as a single player. It also sounds like the notion of doing anything substantial in the game is virtually impossible unless you join a corp and do their bidding. You're either a small time miner or you're canon fodder for the corp ships. I have no interest in spending all of my time mining veld in hi-sec for the rest of my life. I'm beginning to question if I should even invest the time. It seems that my future in the game is nothing more than an endless cycle of building ships and skills only to be met with sudden death the moment I move beyond Empire space! Sheesh. Is that as good as it gets for a solo player?


That's not true. People who think that simply have no initiative nor imagination.
It's up to you to think out of the box.
You can very well survive solo and earn enough income, everywhere. But it will take some time to find your own way.
As for corporations, there are many different kind. They are not all null sec blobs. In fact the big majority are not.
It's fine to play solo, but a corpo where you feel well is even more fun, and multiplicates the possibilities.

Now, i must tell you something very important to not give up : You will soon face the problem of the skills. Not enough skill do to this or fly that, and you have no other choice than to put the skills in the queue and wait weeks and months.
If you do nothing interesting while waiting, you'll get bored and disheartened and quit.
If you always do the same thing the same way you'll get bored.
If you always do it alone it's even worse.
You can already start a lot of different activities, not in an extremly effective way maybe, but enough to get the feel and see if it's your thing or no.
Have a look here : http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Try new things and meet people, even if it's not what you had planned, you'll learn much more while waiting for your skills to unlock.
THX-1138 4EB
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-11-16 22:08:46 UTC
This is all excellent advice. Most appreciated.

Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy. 

Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-11-16 23:01:36 UTC
Really the thought of playing solo in eve leads to the biggest reason people quit eve is that they can't play solo, this is a misconception. Yes it is good to meet people join corps/alliances and interact socially, but you can still act independently. The thing to remember is that corp members are there to help you, even if you move to null and just rat you can hang in comms or channels and chat, it also allows you to know when fleets come up or people to do incursions, whs, escalations that solo pilots can't handle alone.

If you have further questions or would like any advice feel free to mail or pm me in game.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post

Herbinator d'Arcadie
Arkadian Knight
#9 - 2012-11-16 23:15:48 UTC
I'm a fairly new player and I too cut my teeth on the very first pong.

I have not joined a corporation. That can be done at any time. Perhaps I'll join one if I've hit some kind of wall ... but EVE has a lot to offer.

I started my own corp. I am the only member (I have two accounts and both are members). Before the recent ORE changes mining was most profitable as a two-person team. Now, with the recent ORE changes, one person committing 3 or 4 hours a week in a Retriever can make enough ISK to buy stuff well beyond one's training.

I have my own objectives, too. They sometimes change, or at least get re-prioritized. Suffice to say that I treat the other corps as troll-like things. I game them. So dying, dying, dying (as they preach, preach, preach) means I'm not gaming them well. They are part of the game to me. I watch, learn, plan, train, and execute. I do not have any expectation of beating them head-on just yet. But I'm preparing.

Read the forums and you'll get an idea of the scripted lives many characters lead. Not too appealing, really. If you are having a ball now then why change things? Obviously you know how to "discover" the joys of the game. Also part of the fun.

Tao Dolcino wrote:
You will soon face the problem of the skills. Not enough skill do to this or fly that, and you have no other choice than to put the skills in the queue and wait weeks and months.
If you do nothing interesting while waiting, you'll get bored and disheartened and quit.

It's true there are training plateaus. There was previous advise to specialize so you can do one thing well. I disagree. General training allows you to explore other paths while you wait your preferred path to mature.

See you around.


"Block" pigs. Refuse to fly with them.

Keno Skir
#10 - 2012-11-17 05:20:38 UTC
Herbinator d'Arcadie wrote:

Tao Dolcino wrote:
You will soon face the problem of the skills. Not enough skill do to this or fly that, and you have no other choice than to put the skills in the queue and wait weeks and months.
If you do nothing interesting while waiting, you'll get bored and disheartened and quit.

It's true there are training plateaus. There was previous advise to specialize so you can do one thing well. I disagree. General training allows you to explore other paths while you wait your preferred path to mature.

See you around.



Problem is doing lots of things early means doing them badly. I did much the same as you say early on but having specialized a lot since then i can very clearly see the error of my ways. You're not supposed to know exactly what you want to do in week one, but all the same if you stumble upon something that sparks an interest grab it with both hands and be the best you can be at that before moving on. I'm not suggesting all 5's before moving on, just give specialization a shot.

Only gets better from there.
Zena Kuha
Kodoyama-Kai
#11 - 2012-11-17 05:57:39 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Technically speaking, no you can't play EvE solo. It's an MMO therefore you'll need friends. I fly "solo" most of the time...with 4 intel channels, 2 hang out channels with buds from all over the place, corp/pub/alliance channels, the 3 people in local I kill with sometimes .....

Technically speaking you cannot play solo because without the thousands of other players, Eve would not be the game it is. You have to interact with other players constantly.

Otoh, you can play the game without joining a corp. Sometimes joining a corp can hurt you. When I first started Eve, I joined a corp right away and got too much information, everyone pulling in different directions. That is not to say that all corps are like that, but you can end up in a bad corp and your life can suck just as much as people say it sucks when you play solo. Joining the corp was helpful and I got tons of information, but it also pulled me in so many directions I ended up quitting for a while. It is much more comfortable to act independently and find what you like before joining a corp so you can have a role to play that you already know you enjoy.

There are some things to be said for joining a corp and having someone to ask questions and get help from. Just make sure it is the right corp for you if you ever decide to join. And don't get stuck with them either. just quit if it doesn't fit your style.
Jan Deltord
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-11-17 06:14:35 UTC
THX-1138 4EB wrote:
I It also sounds like the notion of doing anything substantial in the game is virtually impossible unless you join a corp and do their bidding.


It is entirely possible for you to, as a solo player, scout out a wormhole system and quietly move your own station into it, living out of that and hunting Sleepers. Yes, your bolt-hole might be found and destroyed ... but the odds are, by the time that has happened, you'll have exported a very nice chunk of change.

It is entirely possible for you to form a one-man corporation, and get standings in 0.0 Providence, joining defense fleets and destroying raiders.

It is entirely possible for you to make a living as a solo predator in Venal, or Curse, or some other area of "NPC 0.0'. Yes, you may be hunted down by the blob, and forced to spin in a station for hours (or play an alt).

It is entirely possible for you to, as a solo player, to have your own list of friends and blues, who know you'll lose ships having their back.

Yes, being part of a big corp in a big alliance is the easy road. But it isnt the only one.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-11-17 07:05:44 UTC
Playing eve entirely solo is a road to frustration and eventual account cancellation. This isn't like joining a raiding guild once you have leveled up in WoW, in Eve you actually get the most benefits out of a well structured organization when you are at your newest, and you will find that your goals as you become an older player become structured around building further structures for newer players coming behind you to benefit from.

This entire concept is what makes Goonswarm so strong. Well that and we are funny.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#14 - 2012-11-17 09:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
EVE allows for different styles of gameplay and players, while the majority enjoys hiding behind numbers and being a tiny cog in the machine, being "significant" (while on a personal level contributing almost nothing to that "significance") there's also players out there who want to get ahead on their own merit, follow their own rules and want their personal input&effort make the difference. It's certainly not the easiest way to play EVE (that's why many choose not to, while making cool excuses for it) but it's very much possible and you can succeed just fine.

In fact, many well known players ARE well known BECAUSE they did it differently and (mostly) alone. To be good/successful/well known in EVE is about putting in the effort to get GOOD at what you like doing and having the right mindset&personality. Note how it has nothing to do with having massive SP, wallet or ships. Find something you enjoy doing, whatever that may be, and get GOOD at it and it'll be successful and profitable and you'll do just fine.

At some point you'll run into people who have that same mindset and you might even team up with them, even if only to have a chat and possibly exchange intel. EVE caters to all who put in the effort to get into it. You just need to find your own little niche in regards to play style and accept/enjoy the fact that it takes effort to succeed.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-11-17 09:54:14 UTC
That's a pretty nice if somewhat stupid and misinformed dig.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#16 - 2012-11-17 10:37:34 UTC
Chribba is a testament to the single player making his own way in EVE (even if he has a dozen alts xD)

Personally I say you can just go do stuff like marketeering to make big money without needing to cater to a large group to do it for you. Use that money to do as you please. Get into the groove of how low/null areas work. Pick your fights wisely and make a name for yourself as one of the few true solo pilots out there.

Or maybe become the leader yourself. Start a small group of loyal friends that you can count on and you'll soon have the essence of a small gang which most people find is the most fun PVP wise.

The Drake is a Lie

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-11-17 11:43:49 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
EVE allows for different styles of gameplay and players, while the majority enjoys hiding behind numbers and being a tiny cog in the machine, being "significant" (while on a personal level contributing almost nothing to that "significance") there's also players out there who want to get ahead on their own merit, follow their own rules and want their personal input&effort make the difference. It's certainly not the easiest way to play EVE (that's why many choose not to, while making cool excuses for it) but it's very much possible and you can succeed just fine.

In fact, many well known players ARE well known BECAUSE they did it differently and (mostly) alone. To be good/successful/well known in EVE is about putting in the effort to get GOOD at what you like doing and having the right mindset&personality. Note how it has nothing to do with having massive SP, wallet or ships. Find something you enjoy doing, whatever that may be, and get GOOD at it and it'll be successful and profitable and you'll do just fine.

At some point you'll run into people who have that same mindset and you might even team up with them, even if only to have a chat and possibly exchange intel. EVE caters to all who put in the effort to get into it. You just need to find your own little niche in regards to play style and accept/enjoy the fact that it takes effort to succeed.



This.

Look at SmilingVagrant. He is one of those tiny cogs in the machine called Goons where you do as your told and it doesn't really matter who you are or what you do as your impact on EVE and the corp is...well zero is even too big.

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Kalim Dabo
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-11-17 14:54:33 UTC
It is possible to play EVE solo, without joining a corporation, and have fun doing it. It just takes a very special, and very unusual kind of person to pull it off.Ugh

For most people, if you play completely solo, without regular interaction with a group of friends, you will quickly get bored and quit. EVE truly lacks content for solo players. PvP is the only exception to this. If you run missions, you will find that you are running the same missions over and over again. If you run exploration sites, you will find the same. If you mine roids by yourself, the rocks all start looking the same, and before long you are talking to your alts, and it all goes downhill from there.

The only reasonable way for most of us to play this game is in player corporations. That is not to say that you can't do your own thing. Most corporations in the game offer content to their members who want it, but don't object to members who want to go off and do their own thing. You will find that even solo activities are more fun if you have a group of friends to talk to about what you are doing.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-11-17 15:23:30 UTC
Well there are 2 kinds of solo players


The first:

Tin-foil hat kind of guy. Logs into EVE, does things on himself, finds chatboxes annoying so minimizes them. Doesn't interact with anybody in EVE and runs away from social connections in game.

The second:

Does stuff in EVE that can be done by 1 single pilot, but does interact with others (join a player corporation, hangs around in different chats, etc) and while playing solo he is also playing the game as a MMO.

The first will likely not succeed and stops playing around 2 month in his EVE live, the second one can become a great player in EVE and known through out the universe (aka Chribba - All hail the Veldspar).

Which one you are, I can't tell.

What I can tell you.

The journey is ALWAYS worth a start in EVE. EVE is a sandbox in it's most true form. Think of something you want to do in EVE, and you can do it.

EVE is what you make of it. If you find EVE boring to play, then YOU are doing it wrong, not the game. It means you are not doing something you should be doing and should try to find out what you like to do.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#20 - 2012-11-17 16:07:23 UTC
THX-1138 4EB wrote:
I'm new to the game but I'm an experienced gamer. In fact, I'm one of the originals going back to Pong so I've seen and done a lot of gaming... I checked out EVE for a long time before deciding to commit and play. And so far, I'm having a great time - as crazy as it sounds I've had dreams of exploring the cosmos since I was a child so the game is about as close as I will ever get.

I have not joined a corp - that's just my personality. I might one day but for now, I enjoy exploring and yes, learning things the hard way. Set backs and losing a fight from time to time make it that much more interesting to me... I don't mind getting killed or showing up with a knife to a gunfight once in a while - but I'm learning and I am getting better and crafty quickly.

That said, the more I read on this forum, the more I think that my goals might not be attainable. I won't share them here but I read about how the corporations and alliances pretty much own the game. I read posts about how it's virtually impossible to survive in 0.0 (or beyond) as a single player. It also sounds like the notion of doing anything substantial in the game is virtually impossible unless you join a corp and do their bidding. You're either a small time miner or you're canon fodder for the corp ships. I have no interest in spending all of my time mining veld in hi-sec for the rest of my life. I'm beginning to question if I should even invest the time. It seems that my future in the game is nothing more than an endless cycle of building ships and skills only to be met with sudden death the moment I move beyond Empire space! Sheesh. Is that as good as it gets for a solo player?

I'm not looking for validation on my goals - I know what I want to get out of the game (for now) but I don't want to bang my head against a wall for a year trying to do the impossible either - I'm just looking for a little objective wisdom from someone who has been in the game for a while.

Respectfully,
THX -1138 4EB




Take everything you read on the forum with a pinch of salt. Whatever profession or position about that profession you can imagine, you'll find someone unironically willing to profess it.

So the question you need to ask is not, "Can I survive in 0.0 solo" but "How can I survive in 0.0 solo?"

As a first step, I would direct you towards NPC space, which has the all-important NPC station facilities you'll need. That's not to say that you'll have to spend all your time in NPC space, only that you'll realisitically need to base from it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

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