Market Discussions

Play game/not play game

that is all.

Anything else is bullshit, obfuscation, propaganda or conflation.

Some people Ice mine when they can't devote a lot of attention to the game but are still on or near their computer IE: Work/School/Homework ect.

I've tried missions and ore mining(doable but annoying) before while doing HW, just doesn't work out as smoothly.

Another reason not to AFK mine like a silly twit... especially in a Talos

KM of AFK miner getting ganked in Halle, a kill I had front-row seats to and got some screenshots for your viewing pleasure

You are not looking at the whole picture. First of all there is benefit from flooding the markets with ores and ice, because that means prices will drop. Cheaper POS'es means cheaper Tech II stuff, cheaper research and so on so forth. Cheaper ores mean cheaper ships, the the afk miner drives down prices by not being there, it will benefit him when he is. There are also people who AFK mine for their own consumption, and that should provide some healthy numbers in the books

Stars!
In this game you can build mining frigates and corvettes, but the best mining ships are cruisers IMO. Basically you put mining modules on a ship in the editor, build the ship and then you can mine. Then after you've placed your mines any fool that tries to fly through them at warp speed higher than 4 (there are some exceptions) is going to be damaged or blown up to hell depending on the mine strength.

Now, the cruisers are the best for this if you get a special 3-in-1 module that also has mines and bombs from a mysterious trader, because you can send a few cruisers to a low population planet, bomb it to **** and place mines on it so the enemy colonists will get raped when they fly into mines at ridiculous speed. If they fly at warp 4 you can intercept them with those cruisers easily in space. Also mines can decay or be destroyed by lazors, but for huge MinefieldS you need lotsa lazors. There's also a whole mining race with a variety of mines, but I never played it.

Minesweeper
You play as a UN dude who's about to get his helmet ventilated; normally you'd drop your gun and run away, but there's a problem. There are huge MinefieldS in front of you and in addition to getting holes in your blue UN helmet you're gonna create jobs for those doctors who use chainsaws. You have to use your smarts in this game to find all the mines, it's very fun.


X-COM
You can buy these proximity mines and give them to your evil dudes. Then you put a mine into a hand, activate it and throw it near a door or other tactically important location. Then you wait for the enemy evil dudes to walk over it and BAM! Huge MinefieldS seem like overkill.

RF Online
It's a failed korean MMO, but it also has mining. You level an archer/dwarf machine gunner/robot with a gun to like lvl 55 then change your class to a miner. That would take you a few hours if you know what I mean :wink: :wink: Then you buy a lot of mining equipment and go to a mine where people mine ore. You activate stealth/invisibility and place your mining equipment in narrow passes and wait for the enemy miners who actually want to mine to step on it. BAM! No ore for you, motherfather. You get pvp points and race points for these kills too. You can lay huge MinefieldS in this game and with smart placement you can blow up top enemy players too unless they're tanks. Oh and you can AFK mine too, but the mines deactivate after 2 hours or so.

There are many more games with mining but I hope this is enough for you for now.

This lobbing about miners goes beyond ridiculous. It's simply a witch hunt at all cost by the biggest afk miners in eve against new players/small entities rather than real bots (botters have also all interest on making clean place for their bots at the belt)

Pathetic.

Please stay constructive and on topic, thank you.

Moved from EVE General Discussion.

Waaaaah! Waaaaah! Those mean miners expect me to pay for their minerals and ice. Waaaah!

Wait, I know, I'll gank them and get them back.

Oh, darn, CCP's made it harder (but still not impossible) to gank them? I'd have to actually work a bit at it now? Waaaah!

Oh, and the prices of minerals is going up? Inflation? Must be because there are too many miners! Waaaaah!

Get over your whiny little "wannabe badass" selves. If you don't like mining, here's a clue for you...

DON'T MINE.

Did you miss the clue? I can repeat it.

As for prices on minerals going up, that's because there is more ISK constantly entering the game. As long as ISK enters the game faster than it leaves (and very little leaves, while billions enter every day through NPC bounties, mission rewards and Insurance payments) it will eventually lead to inflation as people who have accumulated more ISK are willing to pay more to get their purchases first.

Ice prices are going down for now? That is because supply is (at least for now) outstripping demand. It is only temporary. The inflation that infests New Eden absolutely will eventually win out at some point.

In the mean time I will continue to mine (AFK or not) when I feel like it and laugh at you moronic fools that clearly have no idea how the game is balanced. You think the devs care about your careful anti-mining rants? They don't, because they know that as much as you rant about the miners, you need them just as they need you. They need you to provide them with a market via your cute little "pew pew" games (awe, look, the cute little nullsec guy blew something up and thinks he's a badass now). You need miners to provide the raw materials to build the replacement for the ship you just blew up and the equipment on that ship.

I love going on the Kill Boards every so often. Not because I give a flying fart whose epeen has grown slightly because they blew up something, but because I look at every one of those destroyed ships and modules and tell myself "Look at the lovely ISK I am about to get paid to mine minerals to replace THAT!" You blow up a freighter with a few billion in items, you get to go stroke your epeen and tell yourself you are "hard core" and you are "playing eve the RIGHT way". I look at that same Kill mail and say "Yay, I see a buy order for a few billion Tritanium coming my way!"

As for motivation, I enjoy making virtual money easily. Could I make more .001'ing in stations? Probably, but I don't want to spend the time dealing with hundreds of others doing the same. Could I make more running missions? Maybe, but a full squadron of miners requires very little effort to net over 100M an hour in minerals. If I were missioning I'd have to actually pay more attention.

As for those that feel that I am making ISK without enough risk, I'd offer you some KY Jelly for your poor hurt butt, but I don't care enough about your whiny complaints to bother. I'm too busy taking YOUR money when your ship gets shot out from under you! Hahaha!

Just realise that we miners hold you wannabe gangsta badass hard core PvPers in every bit as much contempt as you hold us. The only difference is that you pay us to hold you in contempt. Next time you blow up someone's ship, just remember that you've just made our wallets a bit fatter, so we miners are the real winners in your little PvP fight.

This does not factor the damage AFK mining does to the value of mining as a profession.

What you can earn right now is immaterial if you are clearly working toward the end goal of effortless supply.

Value = Demand / Supply.

That 300M per hour will eventually turn into 150M per hour with the same number of accounts.

Then 75M.

Then 37.5M.

Give it time and see.

Troll removed.