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Being a (-10) pirate is boring.

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Tiggerban
2 Canadians 1 Jar
#1 - 2012-11-15 16:08:32 UTC
Its not eve hard mode, its not fun, and its definitely not worth it.

More and more I see my fellow negative 10 pilots slowly resign themselves to raising their sec status back to positive because being -10 conveys absolutely nothing to the eve experience.

Going -10 is not something most of us consciously choose to do. It is more of a repercussion of living in low sec, it just happens whether you want it to or not, and many people actively fight the battle of raising their sec status every time they lose some.

The people who come to this style of play don't like 0.0, and usually are quite abrasive when it comes to taking orders and being commanded to commit to combat ops and what have you. High sec is too busy and predictable with pvp breaking down to something akin to rock em sock em robots and station games.

So we come to low sec, the last bastion of hope and home of FW. To be honest it is slowly breaking us. Sure we can compete sometimes, and we can put together fleets and logistics and win fights too, but that isn't the EVE we crave. The one where your adrenaline is pumping and the blood is pounding in your ears as you fly your ship against hopeless odds trying to get that kill or maybe just stay alive.

So we are left to raise our sec status back to positive, and I guess people would say well whats wrong with doing that. Nothing is really wrong with it, but if we wanted to sit around killing BS rats in belts all day we would. So our group grows slowly more dilapidated, dysfunctional, and bitter. Ending with people just leaving the game altogether.


I hope there is an expansion coming soon called Outlaw

out·law
   [out-law] Show IPA
noun
1.
a lawless person or habitual criminal, especially one who is a fugitive from the law.
2.
a person, group, or thing excluded from the benefits and protection of the law.
3.
a person under sentence of outlawry.
4.
a person who refuses to be governed by the established rules or practices of any group; rebel; nonconformist: one of the outlaws of country music.
5.
Chiefly Western U.S.
a.
a horse that cannot be broken; a mean, intractable horse.
b.
any rogue animal.

Being an outlaw was not about you being punished, it was about people not being punished for would be crimes against you.
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-11-15 16:10:42 UTC
There is a down side to being an Outlaw.

Welcome to Eve!
Aziesta
Binal Extensions
Xagenic Freymvork
#3 - 2012-11-15 16:14:05 UTC
Well, with the new crimewatch function, it'll be possible to live and pvp in lowsec without having to worry about your sec status. Just don't pod.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-11-15 16:20:57 UTC
Aziesta wrote:
Well, with the new crimewatch function, it'll be possible to live and pvp in lowsec without having to worry about your sec status. Just don't pod.


That's like asking pigs to stay out of slop. Honestly, I don't think they can help themselves, it's in their nature.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-11-15 16:30:01 UTC
Tiggerban wrote:

More and more I see my fellow negative 10 pilots slowly resign themselves to raising their sec status back to positive because being -10 conveys absolutely nothing to the eve experience.


And your problem is....?

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6 - 2012-11-15 16:50:24 UTC
I'm not sure what this thread is about. Is OP asking for more content for -10 criminals, or for more danger or something?

Oh god.
Trendon Evenstar
Olympus Gods
#7 - 2012-11-15 16:58:25 UTC
Excuse me OP but your security status is 0.0
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-11-15 17:04:51 UTC
i've heard that you loose sec status for attacking and killing people who didn't aggro you. Maybe i'm wrong tho. Oops

Anyway i have no problems with NOT ATTACKING other people. Game doesn't force you to do it.

And if you mean that some day i can just choose and settle one pretty low-sec system with good agents and go run missions all day without watching my back (because all piwates left bored) i'm fine with it Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#9 - 2012-11-15 17:08:10 UTC
I read and reread the OP a couple times and I think it says this: There's not enough pvp in low sec, no one really lives there. A lot of folks who like pvp don't like 0.0 because of bubbles and Sabre's. These same people also don't like high sec because of station games. -10 is not content in and of itself but the content came from doing the things you did to make you -10

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Generals4
#10 - 2012-11-15 17:24:26 UTC
Tiggerban wrote:
Its not eve hard mode, its not fun, and its definitely not worth it.

More and more I see my fellow negative 10 pilots slowly resign themselves to raising their sec status back to positive because being -10 conveys absolutely nothing to the eve experience.



You do realize negative security statuses aren't there to add content but rather to punish you for criminal acts?

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Mag's
Azn Empire
#11 - 2012-11-15 18:11:57 UTC
I's great being neg 10. If you're bored, you're doing it wrong.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Oregin
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#12 - 2012-11-15 18:49:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Oregin
The -10 punishment is pretty crap and not in a 'well it's reasonable and just and keeps me on my toes way'.

Simply being unable to enter highsec in anything that can't evade concord is not fun, doesn't help 'protect' anyone in highsec and simply makes what is, in my opinion, the best bit of EVE (lowsec living and piracy) a logistics nightmare, rather than a risk/reward issue.

I'd argue that -10's should be let freely into highsec without concord intervention and, while we're at it, remove the different steps in this 1.0-0.5 highsec blacklisting altogether.
I can see the idea behind it... keep the scum out of the best suburbs... make them drink in the 0.5 sec cantinas on the edges of civilised space.. yaddah yaddah. But in reality, it doesn't take a hell of a lot for someone to find themselves relegated to a tiny section of space. People quickly get the reaper badge in concord's eyes but in reality, the real 'undesirables' in EVE are the spammers in Jita, not the happy-go-lucky-lowsec-scamps.

Let the -10's enter highsec and risk being shot at?

They want to move that domi? Let them, and let them sneak the damn thing out. It'll make resupply possible (if a bit awkward when they'd obviously have to avoid key market systems in the name of discretion and safety). All the while, everyone else gets to have a go at them: vigiliante justice, that's EVE!

Let them try and flog their spoils, let them move their assets and let them mission if they like! Let them face the risk rather than face certain death at the hands of the faceless gods that make bounty hunting an impossibility.

Let's give the cloaky recons a job to do and let people gatecamp lowsec entrances like the empowered carebear paladins that they want to be!

Let's see noobs scramble to get involved in -10 grabs.

Let's see the true colours of the -10s as they bait and switch those eager beavers who try to take them on without knowing about the hidden logistics and secret ploys.

For God's sake CCP, let us play in the sand.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-11-15 18:58:55 UTC
-10 isn't supposed to be a civilized society "lifestyle".

Would you prefer prison or execution when finally caught?

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-11-15 18:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
You've been doing it wrong.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-11-15 19:02:00 UTC
Oregin wrote:
The -10 punishment is pretty crap and not in a 'well it's reasonable and just and keeps me on my toes way'.

Simply being unable to enter highsec in anything that can't evade concord is not fun, doesn't help 'protect' anyone in highsec and simply makes what is, in my opinion, the best bit of EVE (lowsec living and piracy) a logistics nightmare, rather than a risk/reward issue.

I'd argue that -10's should be let freely into highsec without concord intervention and, while we're at it, remove the different steps in this 1.0-0.5 highsec blacklisting altogether.
I can see the idea behind it... keep the scum out of the best suburbs... make them drink in the 0.5 sec cantinas on the edges of civilised space.. yaddah yaddah. But in reality, it doesn't take a hell of a lot for someone to find themselves relegated to a tiny section of space. People quickly get the reaper badge in concord's eyes but in reality, the real 'undesirables' in EVE are the spammers in Jita, not the happy-go-lucky-lowsec-scamps.

Let the -10's enter highsec and risk being shot at?

They want to move that domi? Let them, and let them sneak the damn thing out. It'll make resupply possible (if a bit awkward when they'd obviously have to avoid key market systems in the name of discretion and safety). All the while, everyone else gets to have a go at them: vigiliante justice, that's EVE!

Let them try and flog their spoils, let them move their assets and let them mission if they like! Let them face the risk rather than face certain death at the hands of the faceless gods that make bounty hunting an impossibility.

Let's give the cloaky recons a job to do and let people gatecamp lowsec entrances like the empowered carebear paladins that they want to be!

Let's see noobs scramble to get involved in -10 grabs.

Let's see the true colours of the -10s as they bait and switch those eager beavers who try to take them on without knowing about the hidden logistics and secret ploys.

For God's sake CCP, let us play in the sand.

I congratulate you for this post, which is filled with false information.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-11-15 19:02:50 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
Tiggerban wrote:
Its not eve hard mode, its not fun, and its definitely not worth it.

More and more I see my fellow negative 10 pilots slowly resign themselves to raising their sec status back to positive because being -10 conveys absolutely nothing to the eve experience.



You do realize negative security statuses aren't there to add content but rather to punish you for criminal acts?

Actually, we produce more content than most people with +10.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#17 - 2012-11-15 19:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
I only agree in saying that getting sec status back is a pain in the ass.

CCP should introduce getting increases in sec status for killing outlaw players with lower sec status than yourself. The sec status would have top be worked out depending on how much ISK damage you did to them to prevent exploits of course.

As for life being boring at -10, rubbish.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#18 - 2012-11-15 19:40:27 UTC
So you made a choice and it sucks... and CCP needs to change? If being -10 was forced on you I would agree.. but you chose the life.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#19 - 2012-11-16 04:24:43 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
Tiggerban wrote:
Its not eve hard mode, its not fun, and its definitely not worth it.

More and more I see my fellow negative 10 pilots slowly resign themselves to raising their sec status back to positive because being -10 conveys absolutely nothing to the eve experience.



You do realize negative security statuses aren't there to add content but rather to punish you for criminal acts?

Actually, we produce more content than most people with +10.

lol
Naburi NasNaburi
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-11-16 06:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Naburi NasNaburi
Yep being -10 sucks so bad, that I am having the time of my life every time I log on.
Its soo boring that my boys can tell by my giggles on TS if I caught someone, or someone caught me.
Its soo depressing to scare the living hell out of someone *neutral* when you pop up on his grid.

Ratting is a pain in the arse, cause the moment I was able to enter hisec again (2 days of 00 grinding) my sec dropped right back down to -6.


And nope you of course cannot move ships through hisec at all, simply cause there are no ways to be smarter/faster than those who want to chase and kill you.

/sarcasm off


-10 is a lifestyle !
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