EVE General Discussion

I think CCP intended the changes to the bounty system to be used as "pay back" for people that do bad things in game. Mess with me, I'll put a bounty on you.

I highly suspect, it will end up as the exact opposite.


Two flaws:
1) lot of the high sec ganking is done on throw away toons. It takes very little training to get into a DPS destroyer... The bounties will do little if placed on a throw away toon.

2) Just as war dec's are used by PVP corps to blackmail industrial corps, I suspect the new bounty system is going to be used much the same.

Because of the 20% payout, you have to lose 5x as much in ships as the bounty that is put on you. So, I see PVP corps blackmailing industrial corps like this: "Pay me 100 million a week, or I'll put 100 million a week bounty on you. It is cheaper to pay me the 100 million ISK than to lose 500 million ISK in ships to bounty hunters."

The response, of course, from the industrialists will be to simply create a new corp (if it is corp bounties they are getting hit with) or let their accounts unsub for the length of time that it takes for the bounties to go away. This mass "unsub", of course, CCP is not going to ignore.


In short, players are not going to use the system as intended. It is going to cause much grief amongst the carebear community that constitutes a HUGE chunk of CCPs paid accounts (revenue). Therefore, big changes will be made to the new bounty system fairly quickly after implementation. Then, the people that misused the bounty system to grief carebears will be all whiny about how we're nerfing the game again.

Cool.

Throw away "toons" are against the rules so anyone you know cycling "toons" like this should be reported.

Having a "ganking toon" seperate to your main isn't agaisnt the rules. How is it any different from having a "PI Toon" or even a "mining toon"?



I fail to see where the problem lies with this.

"Oh no! People are using tools to play a game against other people!"

High Sec isn't a complete safe haven (yet). Plus if someone puts a 100 mil bounty on my corp and it was small I'd be like "lol k", disband the corp and form a new one.

Putting a bounty on a high sec corp isn't all that useful for a griefer corp. Bounties do not grant killrights, so you could only collect on a bounty by suicide ganking players unless they have shot somebody else (unlikely for members of a HS indy corp) who was kind enough to put the kill rights on the open market, leave High Sec (see: HS indy corp), or your corp is at war with theirs.

Now, while I can see there being bounty hunting corporations eventually forming that will go to war with a corp with a high enough bounty, the griefer corp going to war directly would probably be easier (and the reason most griefers grief is because real PvP takes work and has a risk).

That said, I do see this as a good way of incentivising mercenaries to attack an indy corp on their rival indy corps's behalf. It might also serve as a way to reward members of a PvP corp for their actions in killing that corp's target (don't rat for the money to replace your ships PigsRUS, whom we are at war with have a nice payout on their ships)

And your problem is... what exactly? That CCP will give us tools and we (of course) will try to stab other players with them instead of using them "properly"? And there won't be anything like mass unsub because carebears lack of backbone to follow their threats and promises of revenge. Whoever survived hulkageddon, Burn Jita and such events will continue to play. Those who unsubbed because of it won't be missed.

I realize that having a bounty does not grant kill rights.

Having a bounty on you makes suicide ganking you profitable. Therefore, people will use the threat of putting a bounty on you as a means of blackmail. That blackmail will be followed through with actual bounties, and increased suicide ganking. Actual bounties and suicide ganks will make carebears unsub., Unsub will cause CCP to make changes.


The argument that carebears didn't drop during hulkageddon ignores mass unsub that caused CCP to make changes to other mining barges.

I've seen what a war dec does to participation in carebear corps. People just do not bother logging in for a week or two. But, usually the war dec goes away before the corp totally disbands. Bounties that do not go away after a week or two.... Death to carebear corps, carebear toons, subscription rates.

Wrong.

A fleet of DPS destroyers, after insurance payouts, is super cheap. The bounty doesn't have to be especially large to make it profitable to gank that hulk/mack/orca/freighter.


The lack of profit is on the side of the person placing the bounty.... unless placing bounties is (and it will be) used as a blackmail tool against carebears.

CCP is not going to agree with your point that EVE is better without them. I do not agree that the bounty system changes will attract more subs than it drives away.

As soon as the bounty system starts driving away more players than it attracts, and I predict it will, it will be changed.



I think the two critical questions are:

1) for how long will I have to unsub to get the bounty to go away?

2) will we be able to see who placed the bounty on us/our corp?

How do you know that putting bounties on terrible carebear shitposters isn't what the system was intended for, Dinsdale?

The funny thing is, gankers will be setting the bounties and also collecting them, so they won't be making money as much as getting their money back. Any isk spent on the ships will be the price they pay to get their isk back.

What you think and what CCP intended are not the same thing.

CCP gives the players the freedom to put bounties on anyone, for whatever reason you choose. The changes in Retribution are merelly changes to make the bounty system actually work.

As far as the claim to "blackmail". It isn't blackmail you are referring to, it is extortion. The solution to it is very simple, yet might not come to mind for some of lower IQ players. If the goal is to extort money through threatening bounties, by merely not paying the player extorting it becomes a very big expense for him to follow through on his threats. IF his original goal was to profit from this, he would stop very quickly if no one would pay him. IF his original goal was to grief, he was going to put that bounty anyways, now the system actually works, deal with it.