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Goons - two years on the tech moons - how you guys feel about that, question about game future

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#161 - 2012-11-16 03:01:34 UTC
Prez21 wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Prez21 wrote:
Most of the current 0.0 residents are clueless carebears who wouldnt last 5 minutes against a half decent pvp corp if it wasnt for jump bridges

Hint: Jumpbridges don't let anyone travel in "total safety".

Ive never said they did but they make it a hell of a lot easier, the only people who die on jump bridges or traveling between them are people who dont pay attention or are just unlucky.

...
What?
You do realize you can't place two jump bridges in the same system, right?
That means to keep going on my route, I have to go through at least one stargate to get to the next jump bridge.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2012-11-16 03:05:41 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Prez21 wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Prez21 wrote:
Most of the current 0.0 residents are clueless carebears who wouldnt last 5 minutes against a half decent pvp corp if it wasnt for jump bridges

Hint: Jumpbridges don't let anyone travel in "total safety".

Ive never said they did but they make it a hell of a lot easier, the only people who die on jump bridges or traveling between them are people who dont pay attention or are just unlucky.

...
What?
You do realize you can't place two jump bridges in the same system, right?
That means to keep going on my route, I have to go through at least one stargate to get to the next jump bridge.

Shhh, he probably doesn't know CCP nerfed them for being "universe-wide power projection tools", despite them not being used for that.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#163 - 2012-11-16 03:36:55 UTC
How do I "feel"? ehh.. my desire to get involved in the wonders of game politics is limited to almost non-existent. 0.0 pretty much sux for that reason alone, more than just the involvement of the goons in this game, but that certainly a substantial factor in the surmounting problems.

What could be done? Change the EULA to 18yo and older to be a subscriber? I think that would pretty much devastate the goons if enforced, among other such 0.0 groups.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2012-11-16 03:40:18 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Change the EULA to 18yo and older to be a subscriber? I think that would pretty much devastate the goons if enforced, among other such 0.0 groups.

LOL

How exactly do you propose enforcing that? What makes you think CCP restricting its player base is a good idea? What makes you think Goons are, by majority, under 18?

I can tell you right now highsec would be most hurt by such a change.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#165 - 2012-11-16 03:56:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Shizuken
It seems like all CCP needs to do is change the direction of some of the market forces that prop up the goons. Redistributing the moon tech would be one idea. Implementing more significant upkeep costs on ships and POSs would be another. If the goons really have as many ships/structures as people say then they can certainly afford to spend some on upkeep. Plus since they seem to have a large collection of super caps, if upkeep grew exponentially with ship size they would have to divert significant resources just to maintain their fleet.

Another thing you could do is adjust the sec status of null outside of goonspace. That would give other alliances more resources. You could also just wholesale ban goon members that have made a point of "breaking the game"... Since they have basically become the mexican drug cartels of EvE you could also just do what mexico wants the US to do and "Legalize". By this I mean give out free **** to everyone else in some covert manner.

The list goes on.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#166 - 2012-11-16 04:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Skydell
Goons do what they do because people let them.
Nobody wants to think for them selves.

A guy in Jita asked for a full Passive Drake fit, so I gave him one. Had 3 guys LOL the fit. It was what he asked for. It didn't have high EFT because I didn't fit EM on it but for High Sec, you don't need EM. Nobody ganks with Amarr any more. It had 85% on the other three though and a 179 recharge. But the guys LOLing the fit didn't stop to think about the why. The EFT gods said fit that way, so that was the only way to fit.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#167 - 2012-11-16 04:20:29 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
You could also just wholesale ban goon members that have made a point of "breaking the game"... .

Agenda spotted.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#168 - 2012-11-16 04:21:12 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Or build a new Belgium in Africa, maybe.


Build them an Afrigium to help them with their poorness.

Don't forget donating limitless security troops.

Magical ones that warp in, jam, scram, web and neut you as well.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#169 - 2012-11-16 04:54:49 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Change the EULA to 18yo and older to be a subscriber? I think that would pretty much devastate the goons if enforced, among other such 0.0 groups.

How exactly do you propose enforcing that?

Same way other games do, nothing new. Age verification processes have been around for some years, takes about five minutes.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#170 - 2012-11-16 04:58:40 UTC
Webvan wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Change the EULA to 18yo and older to be a subscriber? I think that would pretty much devastate the goons if enforced, among other such 0.0 groups.

How exactly do you propose enforcing that?

Same way other games do, nothing new. Age verification processes have been around for some years, takes about five minutes.

Haha, you'd be surprised, but most of us are well over 18 years.

If anything, you'd help remove chaps like that particular one, you know who I'm referring to.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#171 - 2012-11-16 05:07:22 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


It's not up to CCP to make the situation better - the Goons established themselves by taking the most advantage they could of the game mechanics ...

Taking advantage of game mechanics = smart

Taking advantage of broken game mechanics instead of immediately reporting them = exploit

Pretty sure the Goons have done a bit of both. But in the case of the tech moons, no exploit there so no intervention required.

Sorry OP, but you will have to develop a little more patience.In time these things correct themselves.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#172 - 2012-11-16 05:23:20 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


It's not up to CCP to make the situation better - the Goons established themselves by taking the most advantage they could of the game mechanics ...

Taking advantage of game mechanics = smart

Taking advantage of broken game mechanics instead of immediately reporting them = exploit

Pretty sure the Goons have done a bit of both. But in the case of the tech moons, no exploit there so no intervention required.

Sorry OP, but you will have to develop a little more patience.In time these things correct themselves.


As have many other people.

See reactions exploit that wasn't fixed for years, didn't get patched until it was put on a public forum
See Pax/ Nocxium exploit that didn't get patched until someone put it on a public forum.

See every exploit in the game right now that doesn't get touched because only a select group of people know and have decided to keep their pie hole shut.

That's not Goons fault.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#173 - 2012-11-16 05:45:16 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Haha, you'd be surprised, but most of us are well over 18 years.

If anything, you'd help remove chaps like that particular one, you know who I'm referring to.
hah yeah I know most aren't under 18, but I know of some that are, and some of those are rather annoying. But even that is really besides the point, as it's not a good environment for kids (any part of EVE). Actually most mmo's had that in EULA early on, only a few do now, and those using age verification to enforce it; as early on in mmo's there was no way to enforce it. I know CCP won't of course, they have become a little money conscious in recent years, money is money.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#174 - 2012-11-16 07:11:43 UTC
Its to early to to throw in the towel just yet, let them play with their rope just a little longer and see what happens when the Dust settles.Blink

Empire, the next new world order.

Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#175 - 2012-11-16 07:35:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Personaly im fine with fact that goons are rich and they are owners of rich moons, if not goonswarm, someone else become owner, hovewer rare moons generate to much isk than they should, they produce infinity enormus isk incomes, above alliance needs, so in fact this is not good to game economy.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#176 - 2012-11-16 07:35:35 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
i emptied my eighteen personal tech moons whilst reading this thread


heh you only have 18

and you empty them yourself

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#177 - 2012-11-16 07:37:07 UTC
Star Wars would suck balls without the Empire. The fact you seem unable to organize a Rebel Alliance is something else. But if you want to do something about it then that's what you should be doing, I think. Blink
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#178 - 2012-11-16 10:52:01 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Personaly im fine with fact that goons are rich and they are owners of rich moons, if not goonswarm, someone else become owner, hovewer rare moons generate to much isk than they should, they produce infinity enormus isk incomes, above alliance needs, so in fact this is not good to game economy.


Tech only brings in as much isk as people are willing to pay.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#179 - 2012-11-16 11:07:01 UTC
Wow, this thread is still going? I had this down for ISD locking ages ago.

Also, seriouspost time:

And if this hasn't already been mentioned, fixed resources are in fact a good thing for the metagame as a conflict driver. If I was working for CCP, would I do it in a different way? Yeah. However, I doubt suddenly changing a major system of the game in a drastic way would be a clever idea; which is why all the things in the pipeline for moongoo is a drawn-out process. This all goes back to a Farms and Fields initiative.

I should probably write a massive wall-of-text spergpost about how I'd implement such a system sometime, that's the in thing to do right?
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#180 - 2012-11-16 12:16:00 UTC
Shepard Book wrote:

It is funny how when Russians were good at diplomacy and were invading north with more supers than goons and their pets/friends that they were nerfed in short order. Meanwhile moon go on the other hand is left unbalanced for years on end...

Devswarm is the problem...

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