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Goons - two years on the tech moons - how you guys feel about that, question about game future

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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#1 - 2012-11-15 15:12:28 UTC
I found this awesome comment on eve24. Its really good. Its shows situation in the game. comment is by:

"Right in the Truth" and can be found here: http://evenews24.com/2012/11/08/mabrick-is-interest-in-eve-online-declining/

How you guys feel about tech moons and overall game politics and balance ?

here is the comment from eve24

"They never should have let Goons or anyone else, sit on Tech moons for almost 2 years and counting. Meanwhile nerfing drone regions, incursions, and mission drops/bounties. Null sec sites and running lvl 4's in npc nullsec takes no coordination, are easier, and make more isk than incursions ever did, guess who got nerfed.

Goons have so much isk from tech moons they can afford to setup permanent hulkageddon rewards, ice interdiction, throw away thousands of tornado's in burn jita, while fighting war after war with free ship replacement for the largest blob in eve. Seems balanced...... It's too late to be fixed now, they have amassed so much wealth and influence that eve is over. Goons won, and CCP is basically a goon pet at this point. I don't blame people for quitting. Goons stated goal was to ruin eve for everyone, well guess what, they've succeeded, and some how CCP was stupid enough to let this all happen. "


the best part is: "Goons won, and CCP is basically a goon pet at this point." heh nice :)

My question again: How you guys feel about tech moons and overall game politics and balance ? what can be done with this situation to make our game better ?
Jantunen the Infernal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-11-15 15:15:04 UTC
If you don't want goons to have so many tech moons, you are free to undock and take them for yourself.
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#3 - 2012-11-15 15:16:09 UTC
Jantunen the Infernal wrote:
If you don't want goons to have so many tech moons, you are free to undock and take them for yourself.


Stay on topic please. one more time:
My question again: How you guys feel about tech moons and overall game politics and balance ? what can be done with this situation to make our game better ?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2012-11-15 15:16:38 UTC
I feel like QQ biomass.

Oh god.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#5 - 2012-11-15 15:20:07 UTC
Game is declining because:

- only now, after a decade, CCP found out that "player base" is not a static concept and new players have to be enticed to stay longer than 2 months before giving up.

- at the same time the old players see some frigates / cruisers revamp, a cosmetic change nobody really asked for, wardecs etc. screwed more than ever, null sec stale like CIA's director David Petraeus's wife.

- at the same time CCP announced that next patch(es) are more of the same (revamping BCs etc), that is they won't deliver true new content along with revamps of the past.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-11-15 15:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Jantunen the Infernal wrote:
If you don't want goons to have so many tech moons, you are free to undock and take them for yourself.


Stay on topic please. one more time:
My question again: How you guys feel about tech moons and overall game politics and balance ? what can be done with this situation to make our game better ?


Stay on topic? You made the topic, mate. The goons are in the heading of the topic. This is the topic - if you want them off the moons, you take them off the moons. It's not up to CCP to play the game for you. That's what makes the game great. Getting CCP to make it easy for us would not make it better.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#7 - 2012-11-15 15:22:14 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Game is declining because:

- only now, after a decade, CCP found out that "player base" is not a static concept and new players have to be enticed to stay longer than 2 months before giving up.

- at the same time the old players see some frigates / cruisers revamp, a cosmetic change nobody really asked for, wardecs etc. screwed more than ever, null sec stale like CIA's director David Petraeus's wife.

- at the same time CCP announced that next patch(es) are more of the same (revamping BCs etc), that is they won't deliver true new content along with revamps of the past.


Yeah but what they could / should make ? I mean CCP to make this situation better ? Let be constructive. Or its just OVER ?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2012-11-15 15:24:06 UTC
To celebrate our two years of tech goodness we went and treated ourselves to the rest of the moons.
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#9 - 2012-11-15 15:24:37 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Jantunen the Infernal wrote:
If you don't want goons to have so many tech moons, you are free to undock and take them for yourself.


Stay on topic please. one more time:
My question again: How you guys feel about tech moons and overall game politics and balance ? what can be done with this situation to make our game better ?


Stay on topic? You made the topic, mate. The goons are in the heading of the topic. This is the topic - if you want them off the moons, you take them off the moons. It's not up to CCP to play the game for you. That's what makes the game great. Getting CCP to make it easy for us would not make it better.


No i have nothing to Goons. Goons are in topic cos game is unbalanced. let try to find a way to make game better balanced. Be constructive BRO. "Undock and kill all goons" is 6 yrs old comment and you know that
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-11-15 15:24:52 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Game is declining because:

- only now, after a decade, CCP found out that "player base" is not a static concept and new players have to be enticed to stay longer than 2 months before giving up.

- at the same time the old players see some frigates / cruisers revamp, a cosmetic change nobody really asked for, wardecs etc. screwed more than ever, null sec stale like CIA's director David Petraeus's wife.

- at the same time CCP announced that next patch(es) are more of the same (revamping BCs etc), that is they won't deliver true new content along with revamps of the past.


Yeah but what they could / should make ? I mean CCP to make this situation better ? Let be constructive. Or its just OVER ?


It's not up to CCP to make the situation better - the Goons established themselves by taking the most advantage they could of the game mechanics - ie, they played SMART. Now, if you want to "beat" them, then you have to play smarter, not whine on the forums about them.

And fyi, the goons don't bother my game. They never have. There is more to EVE than moons, and there are more moons in EVE that the goons haven't got.

So, if it's over for you, then go away. We have a game to play.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
lilith silverstone
The Arrow Project
#11 - 2012-11-15 15:25:01 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
I found this awesome comment on eve24.

Stopped reading here.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#12 - 2012-11-15 15:25:18 UTC
I don't like the way Africa is poorer than Europe. Let's give them Belgium.

Oh god.
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#13 - 2012-11-15 15:25:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
To celebrate our two years of tech goodness we went and treated ourselves to the rest of the moons.


But if you try to be more "constructive" and stop trolling It would be better
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#14 - 2012-11-15 15:26:03 UTC
Or build a new Belgium in Africa, maybe.

Oh god.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#15 - 2012-11-15 15:26:16 UTC
Not sure if it's over or not, but usually when you win a game and you get the victory cut-scene and then the credits, you feel happy to have succeeded finishing it but also sad because you have finished it.

Now, EvE has shown Goons the victory cut-scene and the credits. Not only that, but the game kind of stopped going ahead and is polishing its past.

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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#16 - 2012-11-15 15:27:29 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Not sure if it's over or not, but usually when you win a game and you get the victory cut-scene and then the credits, you feel happy to have succeeded finishing it but also sad because you have finished it.

Now, EvE has shown Goons the victory cut-scene and the credits. Not only that, but the game kind of stopped going ahead and is polishing its past.


Like I said:
My question again: How you guys feel about tech moons and overall game politics and balance ? what can be done with this situation to make our game better ?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-11-15 15:28:27 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Jantunen the Infernal wrote:
If you don't want goons to have so many tech moons, you are free to undock and take them for yourself.


Stay on topic please. one more time:
My question again: How you guys feel about tech moons and overall game politics and balance ? what can be done with this situation to make our game better ?


Stay on topic? You made the topic, mate. The goons are in the heading of the topic. This is the topic - if you want them off the moons, you take them off the moons. It's not up to CCP to play the game for you. That's what makes the game great. Getting CCP to make it easy for us would not make it better.


No i have nothing to Goons. Goons are in topic cos game is unbalanced. let try to find a way to make game better balanced. Be constructive BRO. "Undock and kill all goons" is 6 yrs old comment and you know that


I'm not being deconstructive, I'm trying to tell you where you're going wrong. First of all, let's leave the remarks about maturity out of it - so far, that's the most immature thing that's been posted here.

What I know is that the game is working *AS INTENDED*. What you seem to *think* is that the goons are a problem - they aren't, and if they're a problem to you then they're your problem. Deal with it. The Goons haven't done anything to warrant any sort of interference from CCP.

You made the goons the topic, and claimed they are making the game "unbalanced". You are wrong, you just can't figure out how to outsmart them.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#18 - 2012-11-15 15:28:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Silk daShocka
"They never should have let Goons or anyone else, sit on Tech moons for almost 2 years and counting."

"They" are not CCP. They are the players, CCP let's anyone who pleases sit on these moons.

Up until recently there was a bit more variety in who was sitting on these moons. If there wasn't any variety, and goons owned them all, OTEC wouldn't have been necessary.

When reading EN24 you should realize that most of the authors there are very very biased. Maybe you do realize this and merely came to gain publicity from the eve-o forums, but if you didn't now you know.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2012-11-15 15:28:49 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
To celebrate our two years of tech goodness we went and treated ourselves to the rest of the moons.


But if you try to be more "constructive" and stop trolling It would be better


Hey Im being constructive. Right now I and other leading Bat scientists are researching what sort of chaos we can bring to mission runners. Research funded by our disgustingly massive pile of isk.

Winter is coming.
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#20 - 2012-11-15 15:29:01 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I don't like the way Africa is poorer than Europe. Let's give them Belgium.


try to read the post one more time. question is: How you guys feel about tech moons and overall game politics and balance ? what can be done with this situation to make our game better ?
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