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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Ugolovnik
#141 - 2012-11-26 09:01:23 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
why not pay 6 plex's and have all the chars skill points moved to another char of your choosing? Roll

Bad idea. People will buy the characters, empty and discard.
In this case it will be "skills = money" rather than "skills = Time"
Quack Mallard
We Did A Thing
Probably Up to No Good
#142 - 2012-11-26 09:04:39 UTC
Maybe changing the name and/or deleting the players history etc is a step too far. Maybe adding some kind of character ownership change to the corp history could work.

For example i'm in a corp, I sell my character on the bazaar to someone else. The new owner fills out some kind of new ownership form which is sent to CCP, most likely an automated service. As soon as it is cleared the character leaves the corp automatically and joins an NPC corp which would be displayed in the corp history of that character.

That corp move could be highlighted in a different colour and there could be a link to some kind of transaction history, maybe showing how much it was sold for, or just a link to the OP on the bazaar.

Ofcourse this could be abused, and used to make it look like someone new has bought the account, when infact it's just been traded to an alt. But personally I think that a name change or history delete would probably be abused on a larger scale.

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Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-11-26 09:32:37 UTC
"Consequences" not being an appreciated term these days by some huh?

Name-changing aside (only valid reason to change a name would be if you really picked a silly name in the first place and now regret it).

As for everything else, I find it rather amusing that EVE, being a game where consequences are one of it's corner stones, now have players that seemingly want to break said stone. I wonder what that says about those said players in the first place.

I for one would never touch any kind of "history wipe" feature if one was ever implemented. Whether I ever make a mistake in a game or not doesn't matter, that history is mine regardless and is a part that defines my character. Not that I have much that fills out, but that is still my history. I've stuck to a couple of corps during these 3 or so years (minus the time I was inactive). If I've been to 100+ corps during this time for whatever reason then that would end up being my history.

And on a side-note, I think that the character bazaar always has been a huge mistake. A bit like an entry point for the kind of players that perhaps should have picked a different game instead of EVE.

But that's my own personal opinion as I am one who will not ever sell my character for any reason regardless of how far it will end up going.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#144 - 2012-11-26 09:47:14 UTC
The word consequence is a tricky one though. In EVE you are really only held to your own standard and post 23 is me as well, on a different account. Having already said that, I look at Ioci and the Skill card and I chuckle at some of them. I still wouldn't auction her. Those "mistakes" are her more than anything else.

I can see people objecting to this. It's immersion breaking but there is so much min/maxing and I-Win, immersion is almost a liability. Name change to sell a char is code for selling SP because the char means nothing.

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Ian Isk
Sounds Legit
#145 - 2012-11-26 09:53:15 UTC
Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:

-You pay a plex or two to change your name.
-Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field.
-A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.


Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#146 - 2012-11-26 11:08:40 UTC
Ian Isk wrote:
Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:

-You pay a plex or two to change your name.
-Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field.
-A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.


Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research.


+1. This is acceptable.
Sounds Legit Big smile

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Drekarg
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#147 - 2012-11-26 11:30:53 UTC
Ian Isk wrote:
Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:

-You pay a plex or two to change your name.
-Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field.
-A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.


Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research.


This, new name with the old name and legacy linked to it.

Deleting corp history is not in the faith of the game, you are what you are and where you've been.

Plenty of fish in the sea/plenty of pods in space choose your chars carefully when browsing the bazaar
Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#148 - 2012-11-26 11:48:19 UTC
Changing names should not be. Not in a decision heavy game like EvE.
If you buy a char, live with his past or get another one. Or just make your own alt, skill exactly the way you want, chose its name and ruin his history yourself! Like a sir!

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Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#149 - 2012-11-26 12:20:35 UTC
I already have a dislike towards the prominence of alts in Eve. I personally see the Character Bazaar as a strange place where somebody can trade money for a quick fix.

Isn't Eve supposed to be about working your own skills to achieve what you want?

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Merouk Baas
#150 - 2012-11-26 22:51:05 UTC
It's about achieving what you want; the skills are a block, to be honest. Guy wants to be in a carrier right away, more power to him, let him take his carrier out the next day and lose it learning how to fly it properly.

With incursions, plexes, and now the upgraded NPC AI, we're looking at battleship + logi fleets as the "average" gameplay. 0.0 warfare is about caps / supercaps. Yeah you can participate in PVP as a newbie, but it's disheartening when you realize 4 years training time to get to the shiny / fun. On the other hand, because of level caps, the other MMO's let you catch up with the average playerbase in, at most, half a year.

Anyway, digressing a little bit. Allow the name changes so that character transfers are made easier / more enticing for those newbies who want them and are rich enough to afford them. Put a warning in the Character Bazaar that the old name and the corp history will still be attached to the character / viewable.
Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2012-11-26 23:01:43 UTC
I have no problem with it as long as it has a quite specific and easily identifiable known aliases tag.

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YuuKnow
The Scope
#152 - 2012-11-27 00:05:49 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
Ian Isk wrote:
Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:

-You pay a plex or two to change your name.
-Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field.
-A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.


Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research.


+1. This is acceptable.
Sounds Legit Big smile


I'ld add the caveat that only a limited number of name changes are permitted.

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#153 - 2012-11-27 00:19:49 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
The problem:

Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.

Solution:

Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.

$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.


The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!


The answer is NO you can not change HISTORY. Can we fixs hitler to? NO. You can not change it. Thats why people say use your brain for ones when you going to rogue like that.
Squealing Piglet
Graviton Industries
#154 - 2012-11-27 03:53:47 UTC
I largely agree with the comments above regarding mixed feelings about the existence of a character bazaar, creating a situation where someone can "buy in", rather than spend the hard earned time cutting their teeth in a noobship with 2mil sp. I really think the process of slowly progressing through the hard knocks of the eve universe is what makes the game fun. It's a strangely ironic opinion for me to have considering that I'm voicing it from a toon I bought on the character bazaar.

I originally did start from scratch, with a legitimate character, with a legitimate name during the days of apocrypha. But I started to play too much--way too much, and I decided the only way to quit was to first kill my character, and so I tossed her into the recycling fires. And she did scream. A year later I decided to start playing again, but the thought of having to grow through the same ship progressions I already mastered, with lousy skills just sounded tedious. So I searched the bazaar for a few weeks to find a character whose skills were as close as possible to my dearly departed. And so here I am, oink, oink.

I guess my point is...wait, what were we talking about?
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#155 - 2012-11-27 09:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
to the OP,,,,, Terribad idea........ to everyone else who's interested in this,,,,,,,,, you made your bed now sleep in it !
WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
#156 - 2012-11-27 11:13:05 UTC
If you allow corp history removal, we'll just wind up tracking it with websites like wow players (not sure if they do this any more)

History is very important in eve; your good and bad deeds should follow you everywhere. Allowing either of these to be wiped clean would be a major mistake.

As far as buying characters, tell the seller the name sucks -2 bil or whatever. A pathetic / stupid / annoying name is the price you pay for being impatient / lazy and not training it yourself.

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Spacing Cowboy
Perkone
Caldari State
#157 - 2012-11-27 14:51:15 UTC
Reputation is one of the rare things in eve you cant buy,

Lets keep it that way
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#158 - 2012-11-27 18:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Remiel Pollard wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



Perhaps it could be a one-off offering specifically FOR character trades then?


I like this idea of the Character bazar transactions possibly having optional fees of 1 PLEX each for wiping the employment history and/or name change Big smile

Seems to me if a diferent person is buying the toon then the previous owners reputation should not be following ( either helping or hurting) the new owner. Also this may go towards proving to CCP that the RMT on the toons was done under a diferent name so people who purchase toons don't get banned for the previous owners malfeasance.

Spacing Cowboy wrote:
Reputation is one of the rare things in eve you cant buy,

Lets keep it that way


Actually the way the Character Bazar works you can buy a reputation right now.
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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#159 - 2012-11-27 19:21:06 UTC
So you want to change your name and clear your corp history, okay fine simple solution. send yourself a buddy program invite,. create a new char, and guess what you just did that for less then 100$ :O you just saved money WOOT!
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#160 - 2012-11-30 15:04:55 UTC
ISD Praetoxx wrote:
Guys, please try stay on-topic and avoid the trolling.

I know it is hard for some of youBear


Are you trolling the trollers now? ^^