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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Altered Ego
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-11-21 15:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Altered Ego
I very much want a name change. And I'll pay CCP cash for it, grind my sec status and jump through what ever hoops I have to.

But under no circumstances should a characters history (employment, past names) be erased. Also, the original name should stay unavailable and when viewed in People & Places it will say '2012 11 11: Altered Ego changed his name to His Cooler Name'.

Of course all this can be uncovered by searching a characters employment history, but there should also be a function in the API the directly says 'this guy used to be called Altered Ego'. Pains should be taken to make it very easy for anyone to track down anyone else's history.

As an aside, when some one changes corp, there should a selection of reasons that can be selected by whoever is making the change ranging from 'blank', 'got a better offer', 'booted for inactivity' to 'this jerk is a thief, don't trust him.

I'm happy to sleep in the bed I've made... I just want new sheets.
Verfanny
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#122 - 2012-11-21 15:32:49 UTC
Like I said in the last name change topic, I would actually pay for it. I like my name as it is an actual name here, but I later discovered, through some kid in WoW threatening to have me banned, that Fanny meant something else in English. My goal was not to offend anyone or try to have a clever and childish name. But I received no such threats in EVE, because, I assume, the average player is more mature.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#123 - 2012-11-21 15:42:13 UTC
Verfanny wrote:
Like I said in the last name change topic, I would actually pay for it. I like my name as it is an actual name here, but I later discovered, through some kid in WoW threatening to have me banned, that ***** meant something else in English. My goal was not to offend anyone or try to have a clever and childish name. But I received no such threats in EVE, because, I assume, the average player is more mature.


Your name is offensive, reported.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-11-21 15:45:32 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
The problem:

Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.

Solution:

Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.

$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.


The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!



What are you, drunk?
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2012-11-21 16:08:43 UTC
ISD Praetoxx wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names/corps should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement.

Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!

Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.



Way to plug the power of 2.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Realityfirst
Mini-Industries
#126 - 2012-11-21 16:10:48 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it.

the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check.

i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally.

edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc.


Oh, I see your point completely.

It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully.

There's some good points being brought forward in this thread Cool



How about A condenced corp history listing ie: you've joined and left the same corp a few times (faction warfare). Your corp history would have something like a drop-down tab for each corp, listing the dates joined and left. Rather then a long list.

my 2 cents
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#127 - 2012-11-21 16:26:25 UTC
Verfanny wrote:
Like I said in the last name change topic, I would actually pay for it. I like my name as it is an actual name here, but I later discovered, through some kid in WoW threatening to have me banned, that ***** meant something else in English. My goal was not to offend anyone or try to have a clever and childish name. But I received no such threats in EVE, because, I assume, the average player is more mature.

Ok now i'm curious as I use to play WoW and I got a way with a lot of horrible names there. What letter does it begin with? Or better yet, just send it EVE mail if your worried.

Sorry, if this is off topic but she makes a valid point. How then does CCP determine which names are offensive when some offensive words mean something totally different in other countries and regions? And let's say that one does slip through the crack, does CCP contact you and make you change your name? If it is offesive but is still usable, when does CCP contact you to change the name? Are you only contacted if it's reported?

Let's say someone does create an offensive name and it gets through but later the player realizes their mistake and wants to take initiative to change it before it's reported. Would they have to pay for a character name change or could they just file a petition?

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2012-11-21 16:34:24 UTC
I've bought multiple characters (with very limited history) and I've always wanted to change their Russian-like names to something more sane. I me4n, 1 m1gh7 hav3 wr1tten la1k d1s 10 years ago but I've grown up now. My oldest real characters have names a 12 year old came up with.
Borascus
#129 - 2012-11-21 16:39:54 UTC
Does that mean you'll sacrifice all the historically important posts you've made?

Perhaps return to the marketplace having accomplished your ingame goals?


Wouldn't a name change alter the entries on the forums?
Ginger Barbarella
#130 - 2012-11-21 16:45:28 UTC
Borascus wrote:
Does that mean you'll sacrifice all the historically important posts you've made?

Perhaps return to the marketplace having accomplished your ingame goals?


Wouldn't a name change alter the entries on the forums?


Any database driven piece of software (like these forums) should be keyed off a unique ID, not a string of text (like a name). If I sell a toon, that unique ID identifies that toon across the EveO infrastructure; a easily modifiable piece of text should never be used for anything of any importance whatsoever.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#131 - 2012-11-21 16:45:56 UTC
Borascus wrote:
Does that mean you'll sacrifice all the historically important posts you've made?

Perhaps return to the marketplace having accomplished your ingame goals?


Wouldn't a name change alter the entries on the forums?

It would be about the same as an avater picture change.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Kapt Krunch
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2012-11-21 17:42:43 UTC
I am the third owner of one of my characters. He has the most skill points of all and is my most important character.
It has come to my attention that the original owner is a bit of a scumbag in real life and I am a bit ashamed that I am associated to him thru this character. I would pay cash money to be able to change that name. I would even pay just to change one letter in that name.
Ginger Achura
Doomheim
#133 - 2012-11-21 18:01:06 UTC
I haven't read the entire thread, but a change of name - and name change only I'm for. Some names are just bullcrap, and if you have bought a character off the bazaar you should be able to rename your newly acquired character. But I'm 100% against alteration of your character. It should be the same character; corporation history, security status and all that. Just like in real life: you're allowed to change your name, but you can't change your history - you're still the same person.

"For hundreds of years my community has enjoyed cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick" - William Ulsterman
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#134 - 2012-11-21 18:16:03 UTC
Ginger Achura wrote:
I haven't read the entire thread, but a change of name - and name change only I'm for. Some names are just bullcrap, and if you have bought a character off the bazaar you should be able to rename your newly acquired character. But I'm 100% against alteration of your character. It should be the same character; corporation history, security status and all that. Just like in real life: you're allowed to change your name, but you can't change your history - you're still the same person.

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/09/securitymatters_0904

It is actually really easy to wipe your history and assume a completely different identity in real life. You just have to have connections. This is technically illegal if caught in the real world. But in EVE, it should be perfectly legit. A history wipe should be a separate option though with a note in employment history that states "previous employment records seem to be missing" or something obscure to give the readers a hint of the wipe so they can inquire about it. It all depends on the persons ability to lie about his/her employment history effectively to be able to pull off espionage and such.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Cyalume
What It Say's On The Tin
#135 - 2012-11-21 18:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyalume
If you bought a character on the forums, you knew the name before you put the ISK down. Moaning about it afterward is a lame excuse.

Against the name change idea.

If Eve is a sandbox that boasts how one person can shape the destiny of others, being able to change that name is to erase that destiny. Ultimately losing an aspect of Eve that has made it and continues to make it unique.

The only thing I'd like to see added to the corp history is perhaps a bullet point or marker that somehow shows the character was moved from one account to another. Making it easier to tell if the character was perhaps sold.
Squealing Piglet
Graviton Industries
#136 - 2012-11-25 22:29:32 UTC
And then there are people like me...look at my name, look at it...Squealing Piglet--god I hate my name so much. But the stats were exactly what I wanted on the character bazaar, so I bought her despite the unflattering name.

Princess Grizelda Gondardrakken; now that's regal, lol. But no...I'm a screaming pig, or a squealing piglet, or whatever. I really like the idea of being able to change your name, but having a button or scroll-over that will allow players to see your name history (otherwise it would be abused by scammers and corp thieves).

CCP, I will pay you good money to let me change my name.
Julius Priscus
#137 - 2012-11-26 01:39:47 UTC
why not pay 6 plex's and have all the chars skill points moved to another char of your choosing? Roll
Zoctrine
Doomheim
#138 - 2012-11-26 02:52:54 UTC
Yes to Name Change, keeping all history and old names records, really don't see why not...
Vince Snetterton
#139 - 2012-11-26 06:22:21 UTC
Why is this being discussed at all?

All the propagandists tell us incessantly that Eve is a harsh place, and if you can't tough it out, go back to WoW.

So how about two words: "Caveat Emptor".
You want to buy a char, you do your research on it.
You buy it and it has a terrible rep, well, sucks to be you.
Do better research next time.

If people cab scam billions from others in corp thefts, or blow up freighters in high sec and laugh about it in local, then why should people not be able to be scammed by buying a char with an tainted history?
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#140 - 2012-11-26 08:15:29 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Why is this being discussed at all?

All the propagandists tell us incessantly that Eve is a harsh place, and if you can't tough it out, go back to WoW.

So how about two words: "Caveat Emptor".
You want to buy a char, you do your research on it.
You buy it and it has a terrible rep, well, sucks to be you.
Do better research next time.

If people cab scam billions from others in corp thefts, or blow up freighters in high sec and laugh about it in local, then why should people not be able to be scammed by buying a char with an tainted history?


I agree we should remove all protections from EVE, you have no idea how much fun it would be CONCORD to be vulnerable to pod pilots, change nothing but make it legal to scam CONCORD.

But in reality CONCORD provides a measure of control and civility to the game that makes it fun for other people... CONCORD could feasibly extend this "Deus Ex Machina" power across the Character Bazaar so EVE becomes more of a game and less of a endless research project.

Now with 100% less Troll.