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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-11-16 16:00:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Casirio
I too have mixed feelings about this.. I think if CCP was to implement a name change system. It would have to include a few things.

1) An indiction on the toon's corp history where the transfer was made. as in Old name + old corp history [break] New name + new corp history

2) Limit it to one time per character

I see arguments for both that make sense, on one hand you are already able to buy and sell characters, rescuplt for plex at any time, so why shouldn't you be able to change your name (for a bought toon,) ? At the same time, I can see it being a huge deal to many.

Edit: Or...What about simply adding the ability to have a nickname? And you can choose on your bio which name is displayed to the public. Someone could simply mouse over your name and it show your "real" name or other "aliases" ? That way you arent changing it but just adding a nickname. Just a thought
Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-11-16 16:02:19 UTC
Why not leave the corp history there but have all history greyed out prior to the transfer. This also stops people from claiming a bought char is theirs.
Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#63 - 2012-11-16 16:04:46 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
The problem:

Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.

Solution:

Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.

$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.


The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!


I agree, it's extremely difficult to use the character bazaar to "reinvent" oneself when the Tengu alt you bought turns out to be black listed.

Name Changes and History wipes should be an option.

“We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.” - Special needs division of Fcon.

Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#64 - 2012-11-16 16:08:50 UTC
My very first character's initials were A A. I got to 12m SP then started again. I would have LOVED a name change.
G01kur Kisel
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-11-16 16:09:28 UTC
Couldnt it be possible to implement some IRL changes to EVE here? It is fully legal to change your name to something else. However that name change is registered and stored somewhere ( where I dont know , but Im sure the police or someone has track of it )

We have ID papers IRL, such as Passports that we have to renew every X amount of years. You can fake ID papers, ( at least in movies )

Offer a name change once every 1 year just like a remap of attributes with or without cost. But it should be possible to look up the previous owners name and his previous corp history. If this action is limited to once every year it wouldnt be abused at much ( perhaps )
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#66 - 2012-11-16 16:11:26 UTC
I think an API based history for corp and alliance recruiters would be sufficient, then you can change your name to xXDe4th5n1pa420Xx for the low low price of however many plex all you want Smile

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-11-16 16:14:49 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Only idiots would distrust you because you play a character that was a thief in another player's hands.


you should know by now Eve is full of these Lol

brb

Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#68 - 2012-11-16 16:36:33 UTC
I don't think you should be able to name change.
But it think there should be a social skill that changes how much of you corp history is visible at a glance. You would still see it all with a API key. The skill would determine how much you see just buy using show info, some thing like level one 1 year to level 5 only current corp.
To me hiding your identity totally seems like a skill you should be able to learn, spy's and what not do that now. Hell it should hide your start date, bloodline, race , and pic to. Not to every thing but to a casual glance.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 

Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-11-16 16:47:06 UTC
I don't like the idea of a name change in EVE.

I would like to see a flag on a character in game that it was traded. That way someone who looks at the character can see without having to go to a forum post that the character was traded and has a 'new' owner.

Ginger Barbarella
#70 - 2012-11-16 16:48:51 UTC
You (or the previous owner of the toon you bought) made that toon who/what it is. History matters. Realize you've been a schmuck and your history is following you? Too damn bad. Either deal with it, sell the toon, or trash bin it.

Some things shouldn't have a price tag on it to sanitize it. I want to see what kind of douchebaggery you've participated in to know whether you can be trusted or not, and I don't need an API key to do it.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Gangname Style
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-11-16 16:51:38 UTC
Actually.

I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.

Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it.
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-11-16 16:54:08 UTC
Gangname Style wrote:
Actually.

I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.

Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it.


You do realise that I can sell a character and then buy it with another of my accounts. Result: history wiped clear. That should not be possible!

No to name changes.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Gangname Style
Doomheim
#73 - 2012-11-16 16:57:20 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
Gangname Style wrote:
Actually.

I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.

Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it.


You do realise that I can sell a character and then buy it with another of my accounts. Result: history wiped clear. That should not be possible!

No to name changes.


Isn't wiped clear. You can still see if you look. And go ahead and pay 20 bucks every time you wanna do that.

The only thing my solution does is make sure somebody doesn't buy a famous toon and pretend they are them.
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2012-11-16 16:58:41 UTC
Gangname Style wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
Gangname Style wrote:
Actually.

I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.

Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it.


You do realise that I can sell a character and then buy it with another of my accounts. Result: history wiped clear. That should not be possible!

No to name changes.


Isn't wiped clear. You can still see if you look. And go ahead and pay 20 bucks every time you wanna do that.

The only thing my solution does is make sure somebody doesn't buy a famous toon and pretend they are them.


That is not possible because you have to announce selling a toon on the forums and to your corp. It also has to be in an npc-corp.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#75 - 2012-11-16 17:36:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
CCP Falcon wrote:
Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



Dear CCP Falcon - we have had numerous threads before about this very issue. I'll quote myself from one of them;



"Your name is your reputation" is nothing short of a bad excuse these days for not implementing name change. Only the ballsiest and/or most sociopathic players don't use alts to scam or otherwise inconvenience other players, instead of reveling in their bad rep. However, a considerable amount of people are avoiding karma simply by having alts. With the plex system having a "dirty work alt" is easier than it was ever before.

I nevertheless would want this to become an actual paid feature with ideas that have been passed around before in greater detail, like once a year maximum, a reasonable yet abuse discouraging price tag (say, the price of a months sub, and you couldn't buy it with PLEX).

To make a compromise to the ever complaining, self entitled bitter vets, namechanged accounts should be noticeable somehow, possibly having a small star(*), exclamation point(!) or any variant thereof, added behind their name.
It should be fairly unobtrusive on the name itself, but still appear in the overview/chatlists in a way that would be immediately noticeable. This would alert the most paranoid of us to check the many times over suggested name history tab of the character.

Personally I'd even be happy with just having a slot you could fill out yourself in style of roleplaying addons of other MMO's, that would display when opening character info, under a characters name. Other people could use it to add imaginary titles to themselves or something.

EDIT:
Adding this link for good measure to a thread about this in CSM, it debunks the common reasons for saying "no" much better than I ever could.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8710

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#76 - 2012-11-16 17:45:09 UTC
No to name changes. Far too many downsides and far too few up.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Melvin Coulter
Abyssal Freighting
High Bear Nation.
#77 - 2012-11-16 17:46:02 UTC
Mascha Tzash wrote:
Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands?
Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.

so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history.

If I am correct you have let your corp know and have to be in a pc corp before you can sell it

Move along!

Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#78 - 2012-11-16 18:09:04 UTC
I see the suffer of people, if they buy a toon with a bad name.
But ... it was part of the offer.
If you don't like the name, don't buy the toon.

For the case of creating a new toon and not being aware of the fact, that you could not change the name later, i would suggest a clearly visible warning about that fact over the naming field.

If name changes ever will be implemented, i suggest two things to consider:

  • limit it : Make it a "2 times only" as maximum. After that you toon really should have a good name. If these two name changes are used up, it's over, even if you want to sell it and the new owner will be unable to change it. See my first sentence above: The Name is part of the toon offer.
  • Make it visible/searchable: It should NEITHER be a posibility to clean up the history of the character, NOR a possibility to evade foreign contact lists (because of maybe too many "red-listings"). Again: The past belongs to the toon, and in case of selling the toon, the past belongs to the offer.


--> In this way the people have the possibility to get comfortable with their toon name, but can barely abuse it to abandon their hated past.
Nucleo Tide
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
#79 - 2012-11-16 18:43:24 UTC
This would be pretty profitable for them and would be a sound business decision. As it wouldn't hurt the game if done properly.

But this is precisely why it will never happen.
Nucleo Tide
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
#80 - 2012-11-16 18:45:06 UTC
They may make a Facebook game based around names instead though.