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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#261 - 2013-01-11 15:53:02 UTC
I haven't read the whole thread so someone has probably already suggested it.

But a "Character name history" viewable to the public at all times would fix the name change problem.

Say i get tied of Jenn aSide and want to change it to something snazzy like Jenn Ann Juice (which is delicious BTW), like you can see my corp history, you can see my NAME history to and always know I was Jenn aAside. Limit 1 name change per 12 or 24 months or something.

I've got a couple chars I bought that I'd pay a couple plex to change their names lol.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#262 - 2013-01-11 15:54:12 UTC
Goran Konjich wrote:
History must remain.
A LOT of players would like to pay PLEX for name change.

[EDIT]
Old name must stay visible forever on Bio, right next to current name. Name change is allowed only every 3 years.


case in point, i've been beaten to the punch again. Damn that goran guy.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#263 - 2013-01-11 15:55:14 UTC
Vixisti wrote:
Sounds like something that could be done via Incarna with lots of dirty dealings in station with dodgy characters and the transfer of lots and lots of isk.

Make it a player high tier learnable skill - Forgery

There are lot's of ways to make it work and actually add to the gameplay but it would have to be both difficult and expensive.


i'd love to train Identity Theft to 5 :) .
The F Word
Doomheim
#264 - 2013-01-11 15:57:32 UTC
What would happen if name changes were made willy nilly, and corp history was erased?

Paranoia is already at maximum levels, I don't think it would have the effect everyone seems to fear.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#265 - 2013-01-11 16:31:04 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
March rabbit wrote:

Once again: we talk here about SPACE PIXELS. Characters don't do s..t itself. Some REAL person does it. Character is asset like ship. Yes for some "RP-like" people characters mean something. But in reality you never can trust any character. You only can trust PERSON controlling this char. And this information isn't a part of char employment history. Add here account sharing (illegal but used very often) and you have even less trust to character.


Scam artist/Corp thief wrote:

Oh no, I have scammed and stolen billions and now I can't do anything because people don't trust me Sad OH!! I know!! I'll just sell myself to.....myself. Then I can wipe out all my wrong doings in one go and start all over again without losing any of my skills etc. etc. ad infinitum.


The above scenario was brought to you by people wanting zero consequences for their in-game actions.

tl;dr Name change etc. is a bad idea, don't do it CCP.

tell me please one thing: who are you? you are human sitting next to PC and playing game? Or maybe you are character which is only life in game?

You really don't see difference between people (controlling group of characters) and in-game character?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Ascendic
Polaris Syndicate
#266 - 2013-01-11 16:33:56 UTC
Fanatic Row wrote:
Why does every service have to be paid?

As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? Straight


Really bro? EVE is the most expensive MMO on the market?

Please inform me how many of the 17+ expansions you have paid for?





owait.........NONE.
Fanatic Row
Neo T.E.C.H.
#267 - 2013-01-11 16:40:54 UTC
Ascendic wrote:
Fanatic Row wrote:
Why does every service have to be paid?

As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? Straight


Really bro? EVE is the most expensive MMO on the market?

Please inform me how many of the 17+ expansions you have paid for?





owait.........NONE.
Lol

Seriously? Now set aside the fact that CCP couldn't charge for expansions even if they wanted to...

How many of the expansions would be considered a true expansion you'd buy, instead of a large content update, in any other AAA MMO?





owait...... NONE.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#268 - 2013-01-11 16:54:31 UTC
just to clarify it a little.

Let's take a look to RL and cars.

1. Some bad guy (codename: person 1) used car to kill some other guy.
2. Car was restored/cleaned and officially sold to new person (again: ANOTHER PERSON). Let's call him person 2.
3. Some good guys (like the ones who ask here for CONSEQUENCES) come to person 2 and kill him because of "person 1 killed my friend. You have to deal with CONSEQUENCES".
Yes, person 2 can be the same people as person 1 (like someone here wrote already) but car itself can't be the main attribute for search Lol At least i really hope to never see such methods in RL Cool

In-game chars are tools like cars in RL. You buy it, use and sell it.

Again: car does not stuff. It is alive person behind this car.

So characters in game don't do stuff. Character does not scam, it can't lie, it doesn't do anything (well, he collects SPs). Anything character do - it is manipulations of real person behind him. You either trust to this hidden owner or you don't. And you never can be sure you talk to the same REAL person twice using character interface.

That's why i don't see it like real problem to "cleaning char". As long as character has mark "was cleaned" you always can decide for yourself: you trust blindly to UNKNOWN OWNER behind this char (and let him scam/awox/etc... you) or you don't trust to him.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Smuca
Cyno is Up Jump Jump
Brave United
#269 - 2013-01-11 17:48:30 UTC
I only read 4 pages of that thread so forgive me if I'm posting something that has been said already.

That said, I think it's safe to say people who are against name changing are against that only because they fear corp thieves / scammers / spies could change their names and get away with it.
In my opinion that is only a problem for recruiters and easily avoidable with a name change history and of course corp history.

Corp history wipe is a completely different story and I'm against it.

Also, name changing becoming available or not I think they should implement a character transfer history.



PS: I always wanted to buy an amarr/gallente pvp pilot but never did because I could never find one with an acceptable name.
PS2: I'm not a big fan of my name either and would probably change it if it becomes available.
Ash Jwilliams
Donkey Punch Pioneers
Sticky Green Acres
#270 - 2013-01-11 21:04:28 UTC
What about minor name changes for people who were handicapped by an old naming system?

In particular, this toon was created way back when names could only have 1 space. Therefore, I had to combine my middle initial and last name.

These days, you can have 2 spaces. If I were to make this toon today, his name would read instead:

Ash J Williams

Do you think minor changes such as these would be reasonable?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#271 - 2013-01-11 21:22:28 UTC
Fanatic Row wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Fanatic Row wrote:
Why does every service have to be paid?

As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? Straight
You really need to look at prices first, before making such a claim.
So, in which subscription based games do you have to pay for cosmetic features such as a re-sculpt, or clothing?

CCP charges a monthly fee for EVE, but offer none of the services that they've implemented from Free-to-Play games in that fee.
Why do optional extras, make Eve the most expensive MMO on the market? Are you honestly saying no other MMO, offers extras in their version of an MT market?
Also you'll find clothing and vanity items, for sale on the regular market. You know, for ISK and not aur. Blink

DC Universe Online has a gold market, where you can buy clothes. I'm sure it's not the only one. But you know better, right?
I'd also like to know, how you think F2P games make their money?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#272 - 2013-01-11 21:24:52 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Let's take a look to RL and cars.
Let's not. That was an awful comparison to make and completely irrelevant.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#273 - 2013-01-11 23:46:35 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



Well, there's also the possibility for corps to add them to a "corp thief/unwelcome" folder and receiving an automatic eve-mail once they get transferred to another account. Renaming and deleting their history would probably be easier to implement, though.

I am against renaming characters and deleting their corp history if it's unrelated to a character transfer between two players (NOT accounts).

OTOH, actions and consequences. If you use an alt as a thief, there should be some measure of repercussion, in all honesty. That would get removed from the equation if that change were to be made to the game.
Solhild
Doomheim
#274 - 2013-01-11 23:49:57 UTC
The F Word wrote:
What would happen if name changes were made willy nilly, and corp history was erased?

Paranoia is already at maximum levels, I don't think it would have the effect everyone seems to fear.


Frankly, this is the way ahead. People need to grow up!
Crexa
Ion Industrials
#275 - 2013-01-12 00:16:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Crexa
Katarina Reid wrote:
I like the idea if you could have a name history list. Standings would need to carry over and maybe a notication if someone with standings changes there name. I dont think scammers can exploit it any more then they do now they just sell there character and buying a new one.




Known list of Aliases

I'm all for a name change option costing AUR as it is cosmetic after all. But the name history needs to stay with the character thru a list of Known Aliases. Spies, thieves, former people you want nothing to do with cannot be allowed to abuse.

And I like the guy who posted about some kind of color mark indicating character transfer. At least then, it might be possible to give a guy who has "changed hands" a chance, even if you watch them like a hawk.

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#276 - 2013-01-12 00:43:33 UTC
Or one change name : when you buy the character on the market ,
or you can see it like you were buying a skill package to put in the new avatar ,skills=datas tout upload.

Line: Wts Xena >>>buyer just get the skill of xena (not the corpse) to upload in the new avatar ...

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Carva
Omega Celestial Procurement
#277 - 2013-01-12 01:24:24 UTC
This is my first toon. When I created her, I was unaware that you could use a space in your name and have a first and last name.
I see no problem with being able to change a name. With proper limitations it could and should be done.
Kahu ia Kane'ohe
Perkone
Caldari State
#278 - 2013-01-12 01:29:18 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile


(This is going to be a horrible idea) Just let people click on renamed character's information, and there should be big text that says, Example One (formerly Example Dos) :D

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#279 - 2013-01-12 02:57:58 UTC
I would only support name changing as a part of a character transfer, and only because there are some horribly-named characters out there.

Clearing corp history...no. If you buy someone's safari alt that has a billion isk bounty and has been in 20 corps over 30 days, you should probably account for that in the payment price.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
TheNewestTwin
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#280 - 2013-01-12 17:07:47 UTC
I would quit eve if this name change thing became reality...