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Alayna Le'line
#181 - 2012-12-04 10:27:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Alayna Le'line
Dave stark wrote:
ISD Praetoxx wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement.

Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!

Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.


the problem with that is you accelerate the situation where the only unused username is "sandy mcballbag".

this is why i hated making alts on WoW, with 10 character slots per account per server people had level 1 characters to reserve names. the hardest part of making a new character was finding a name that wasn't taken and wasn't jibberish.


Being able to pick a surname (that matters) helps with this. When I started using this first name for characters it was uncommon, nowadays they're a dime a dozen, same goes for my regular nickname (which I can't easily change, having used it for well over 10years now).

The problem with WoW (and EverQuest and TOR and the rest of them) is that even if they have surname support it's not considered part of your character name, how realistic is it to have only one guy named "Tom" in the entire world (or universe)? Arguably name/surname isn't excactly unique irl either but it vastly increases the number of sane combinations you can come up with before having to revert to stupid stuff like "T00000OOOOM56423141234".

As for the topic, no name changes please. It just opens up Pandora's box. Though only showing the x most recent corps a character has been in by default would be nice (if you need more you can request the rest, of course), loading that list can take ages on some characters (very old ones or just plain corp hoppers)
Lord Ra
Sicarius.
#182 - 2012-12-04 11:31:07 UTC
Name changes yes, but corporation history has to stay.





CCP you could make a killing on allowing name changes, many of us want to pay you for a virtual service that eventually could be manned by 1-2 devs after the initial rush so why you no offer?. Big smile

inb4 'plex for depoll'
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#183 - 2012-12-04 12:07:46 UTC
Lord Ra wrote:
Name changes yes, but corporation history has to stay.





CCP you could make a killing on allowing name changes, many of us want to pay you for a virtual service that eventually could be manned by 1-2 devs after the initial rush so why you no offer?. Big smile

inb4 'plex for depoll'



All no this is sandbox not cleaning the carpet when you doing something wrong. No and no. You want it try to play world of warcraft the do this thing for you. In eve all action comes always back to you. Use your brain before you do something wrong or mess up your names.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#184 - 2012-12-04 12:08:53 UTC
short answer NO !
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#185 - 2012-12-04 12:09:41 UTC
long answer

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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#186 - 2012-12-04 12:30:26 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



No. Just no.

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Abu Tarynnia
Kings-Guard
Sigma Grindset
#187 - 2012-12-04 12:44:12 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
Lord Ra wrote:
Name changes yes, but corporation history has to stay.





CCP you could make a killing on allowing name changes, many of us want to pay you for a virtual service that eventually could be manned by 1-2 devs after the initial rush so why you no offer?. Big smile

inb4 'plex for depoll'



All no this is sandbox not cleaning the carpet when you doing something wrong. No and no. You want it try to play world of warcraft the do this thing for you. In eve all action comes always back to you. Use your brain before you do something wrong or mess up your names.


What ?! It's a service, it's paid for, it's ok since this is EVE .. the ultimate capitalistic game ever. So if I can buy it EVE / CCP should provide it. No problem with that.
Either be consequent or begone.

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Anna Shoul
#188 - 2012-12-04 12:49:11 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.


There is simply no way to prevent one method of wiping the slate clean -- biomassing the character, or letting the account lapse, i.e. stopping playing. Social bankruptcy by suicide is impossible to stop.

The only beef one can have with the idea of renaming characters and wiping their history after resale that I find reasonable is that the criminal doesn't just 'wipe the slate clean', i.e. avoids reprecussions to his future play by no longer having a connection with the reputation incurred for criminal actions, (Abandoning the character or the entire account does exactly that as well.) but also gets compensation for resources he would otherwise have to abandon together with the reputation, i.e. skillpoints.

As it currently stands, by reselling the character with poor reputation, you merely hoist this reputation on some other player, while still getting rid of it yourself. In theory it should reflect on sale price -- but why not, for example, make this reflection on price mandatory? I.e. during resale, the seller can elect for the character corp history, name and face to get wiped, to be selected anew by the buyer upon transfer, for a price in ISK equal to something of the 80% of the final sale price, payable by the seller upon transfer? This way, the buyer gets his ISK's worth of skillpoints with no strings he had no control over, the seller get something, but not that much, some ISK gets removed from the economy (always a good thing, I'm told) and everyone's happy?
Serith Ellecon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2012-12-04 13:05:44 UTC
Name changing should only be allowed in the first 30 days of a character's life, or immediately after CCP changes it for any of their reasons.
A 30 day old toon is barely out of the trial,, and should be granted a little leniency. You could add a few requirements, like low total asset values (even over the toon's life) and a positive sec status, or lack of a bounty to prevent scamming alts doing this.

Inappropriate signature added.  CCP Notarealdev.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#190 - 2012-12-04 14:49:46 UTC
I just want to point out that arguing against name changes is pointless. I heard every single one of these arguments to the "T" on the WoW forums before they did paid name changes a few years back. It will be a service. If you don't like it, don't use it. Plain and simple. But most importantly, don't push your "moral" obligations to oppose it on to others. That's called fascism.

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Alayna Le'line
#191 - 2012-12-04 16:03:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Alayna Le'line
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I just want to point out that arguing against name changes is pointless. I heard every single one of these arguments to the "T" on the WoW forums before they did paid name changes a few years back.


Character reputation stopped mattering in WoW years ago when they introduced other systems that reduced accountability for your actions to zero (eg. LFG). Before that there were public blacklists on realms for known idiots, those people were actively shunned by the vast majority of the server population, sort of like known corp thieves and the likes in EVE. Coincidentally the atmosphere on realms in general and in dungeon groups in particular was a lot better back then...

I like to think that accountability is one of the things that sets EVE's leveling system apart, if you soil your reputation in some way it has big implications, unlike in WoW where you can just max out a new character in a month or so (or just transfer to a realm where nobody knows you...).

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Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#192 - 2012-12-04 16:23:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Renier Gaden
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile


I favour the ability to change names based on the percentage of really bad or stupid names in EVE. I get the impression that many characters in EVE were created by people in a hurry to get started who did not want to waist time trying to come up with a good name that was not already taken.

I give props to people who took the time to make cool names such as Tinker Hell, and Large Collidable Object. I took the easy route and just picked a normal sounding name.

I like the idea of having a name history though. While I would like to see people be able to change their names, I don’t favour giving them the ability to wipe the slate clean.

I also think that the transfer of a character to a different account should be recorded in that character’s corp history. That way if you buy a Corp Thief, you can show that your character was purchased after the infamous events.

Edit: Actually, the name change should probably be recorded in the Corp History too, as that is where people look to determine the history of the character.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#193 - 2012-12-04 16:33:40 UTC
Alayna Le'line wrote:
Character reputation stopped mattering in WoW years ago when they introduced other systems that reduced accountability for your actions to zero (eg. LFG). Before that there were public blacklists on realms for known idiots, those people were actively shunned by the vast majority of the server population, sort of like known corp thieves and the likes in EVE. Coincidentally the atmosphere on realms in general and in dungeon groups in particular was a lot better back then...

Not sure if your times have gotten switched up or what but name changes in WoW was out almost a whole year before LFG and all the other things you are talking about. Just sayin'.
Alayna Le'line wrote:
I like to think that accountability is one of the things that sets EVE's leveling system apart, if you soil your reputation in some way it has big implications, unlike in WoW where you can just max out a new character in a month or so (or just transfer to a realm where nobody knows you...).

Skill queue and reputation are 2 totally different things. As far as reputation goes, it is no different than WoW even with a character transfer. There are forums where people will give a heads up about specific players and such. Yes, it was cross realm. If you don't know how to do your research then It's not my problem.

Alayna Le'line wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
It will be a service. If you don't like it, don't use it. Plain and simple.

Because you not using it means you're not affected by it, right?... Roll

I never said I wasn't, I will say that I will be far better prepared for it. BlinkCool

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Cpt Bunny
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#194 - 2012-12-04 16:58:17 UTC
Heres an idea,


Make the 2 Functions of Character name change and removing corp history A Skills based ability trainable under the corp management section.

As it is, there is very little usage of those skills. By all means, make the requirements high but let the players have the ability to perform this action. As for changing a characters name, it could be done as "hacking" where the player with corp management skills has the ability to "hack" some concord record database, but the ability has a long cooldown or some other consequence such as a massive hit on sec status for the hacker. essentially the corp management skilled guy can sell his services for whatever the market settles on.

Changing your Corp list could be done in a similar way, but on a single entry per hack basis. someone with 20 corps to be removed can get one done at a time for a full 2.0 drop in the hackers standings.

at the same time this whole idea could be expanded on to include other areas to hack, such as the players standings with other entities, maybe even player corp entities. but at a severe cost?
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#195 - 2012-12-04 17:03:48 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.


No. In a perfect world it might work, but people would misuse the **** out of this.

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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#196 - 2012-12-04 17:10:54 UTC
Cpt Bunny wrote:
Heres an idea,


Make the 2 Functions of Character name change and removing corp history A Skills based ability trainable under the corp management section.

As it is, there is very little usage of those skills. By all means, make the requirements high but let the players have the ability to perform this action. As for changing a characters name, it could be done as "hacking" where the player with corp management skills has the ability to "hack" some concord record database, but the ability has a long cooldown or some other consequence such as a massive hit on sec status for the hacker. essentially the corp management skilled guy can sell his services for whatever the market settles on.

Changing your Corp list could be done in a similar way, but on a single entry per hack basis. someone with 20 corps to be removed can get one done at a time for a full 2.0 drop in the hackers standings.

at the same time this whole idea could be expanded on to include other areas to hack, such as the players standings with other entities, maybe even player corp entities. but at a severe cost?

Thank you for making a well thought out post.

I completely agree that it should be a skill set that you have to train. What you can actually do is a little gray for me. Not because of morality but because of potential to becoming unbalanced and overpowering. Such as the ability to change standings with hacking. This means someone can just train the skills and never do a single mission to gain standings. Before you rebuttle this, think about 2 alts training the same skills for this. They could both change each other's standings.

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Alayna Le'line
#197 - 2012-12-04 20:46:20 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Alayna Le'line wrote:
Character reputation stopped mattering in WoW years ago when they introduced other systems that reduced accountability for your actions to zero (eg. LFG). Before that there were public blacklists on realms for known idiots, those people were actively shunned by the vast majority of the server population, sort of like known corp thieves and the likes in EVE. Coincidentally the atmosphere on realms in general and in dungeon groups in particular was a lot better back then...

Not sure if your times have gotten switched up or what but name changes in WoW was out almost a whole year before LFG and all the other things you are talking about. Just sayin'.


I am quite aware of that fact. We actually had a troll change names a few times on our realm, most WoW players don't exactly have enough of an investment in their characters to bother with name changes though.
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Alayna Le'line wrote:
I like to think that accountability is one of the things that sets EVE's leveling system apart, if you soil your reputation in some way it has big implications, unlike in WoW where you can just max out a new character in a month or so (or just transfer to a realm where nobody knows you...).

Skill queue and reputation are 2 totally different things. As far as reputation goes, it is no different than WoW even with a character transfer. There are forums where people will give a heads up about specific players and such. Yes, it was cross realm. If you don't know how to do your research then It's not my problem.

Skill queue and player reputation are tied together in the sense that someone with 100m SP will probably care about wiping his reputation more than someone with 10m. There's a reason why most total pricks are new(ish) toons or NPC corp alts. In WoW as I stated it's easy to replace a low reputation toon, and probably way cheaper (relatively) than buying a name change, the same does not hold in EVE.

In EVE if you serously "wrong" someone that reputation is going to stick around for a very very long time, in WoW there really is nothing worthwhile a player can lose due to other player action and on top of that most things that could result in actual tangible loss are forbidden (and likely bannable), quite unlike in EVE. If you've been a (for the sake of example) corp thief it is not unlikely that it's cheaper to pay for a name change than to start a new character and going around with such a reputation is going to severely limit your options.

For someone to want to risk the reputation of an old character the gain would have to be pretty damn high as the cost will be very high, messing with this risk/reward ratio doesn't seem like a great idea to me personally.

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
As far as reputation goes, it is no different than WoW even with a character transfer. There are forums where people will give a heads up about specific players and such. Yes, it was cross realm. If you don't know how to do your research then It's not my problem.

Once LFG rolled around you had to play with random people anyway, assuming you weren't lucky enough to have an active enough guild to play with all the time. While there indeed were tools (and sites) that allowed you to rate players and view others' comments on players these were little used even during TBC (iow lack of data) and as such incomplete and unreliable for all practical purposes. After TBC realm reputation simply no longer mattered as the chances of running into the same player more than once in a random dungeon were pretty close to zero.

While before each realm certainly had it's fair share of trolls and random clowns they seemed to take over the chat channels with WotLK. You know what they say, allowing name changes (or even worse, a total character history wipe) would only increase anonymity and decrease accountability.

So I guess that as I see it it comes down to risk/reward and name changes or corp history wipes would upset this risk/reward balance in a, in my opinion, negative way.

Also: GRRR, 5 quote limit.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#198 - 2012-12-04 21:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
I remember barrens chat from vanilla and TBC expansion. And to show you how much this reputation for your (not personal, in general) character goes, I was one of the trade trolls on my server. But, how I actually played with others in groups was a completely different story. I even trolled my own guild members while running crap but they knew me irl and we would talk on TS or Vent. That's where my reputation and loyalties lay, with real friends outside of a game. If you don't want to actually get to know me then get out of my way and stop complaining. But most of all, everyone should learn to have some fun and get that stick out that is holding their backbone up.

There is no such thing as accountability, it's a myth. Granted I would not be a corp theif mainly because I would be pissed if ti happened to me so I would not do it to someone else but I don't condone or condemn anyone who does or does it to me. Why? Because it's a game. In fact, I would actually invite that guy to my TS channel and talk up a storm about random things. Would I let someone like that in my corp if I knew they were like that, no... not at first. It would take a long time before I would and I would have to get to know him well before hand. I would still invite him to my TS server regardless. If there was a way around the regular name and corp history so they can be changed, it doesn't matter because I'm talking directly to the player and getting to know his character and not just some character he wants me to believe. If he is still able to fool me, kudos to him.

P.S: This is not a direct attack so please don't take it as such. Just pointing out my philosphies and how I run things. I mean no offense in this post honestly. I'm just, how should I put this, abrasive to traditional means of communication. Oh I am, this way in real life as well. I have a best friend and lots of other close friends. There is no such thing as a stranger to me.

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Galactic Rangers
#199 - 2012-12-05 01:56:43 UTC
what part of NO do you all not get.


stupid idea -1 OP
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Absolute Will
#200 - 2012-12-05 02:45:58 UTC
Eve online is a hard world, it's so easy to scam and betray eachother. having this name change or corp history feature will only make it more worse.

Actually I think this feature would be only used by those type of players. If you are a nice or honest player, you wouldn't be ashamed of your name or corp history.