EVE General Discussion

Problem:

The cost of clones exponentially increases as you acquire more SP. This causes an imbalance in the game due to the following facts.

Facts

• More SP does not allow you to make ISK exponentially faster. This has far more to do with your situation/location in EVE. A lower SP player can be just as effective at making ISK in terms of skill points as a 9 year old bittervet. There is only so much specialisation available in whatever ISK making career you choose, whether it be combat or industry based. This threshold can be met very early on and does not scale with the SP to clone cost ratio at all - even though lower SP players with argue otherwise, they are just plain wrong.



• More time subscribed to EVE does not automatically mean you are rich with a huge stash of ISK to spare. Some comparatively new players are far more wealthy than some bittervets - playing the game for longer and having more SP doesn't make you 'better'.



• A higher SP player cannot go and have fun in a cheap ship with way lower SP players can for the same cost. I'm sure you'd have more higher SP players bringing about more PVP in nullsec in the way of affordable PVP with more Tech 1 and smaller hulls if they weren't having to worry about the 65mil clone cost on top when they inevitably get bubbled.



• The higher clone cost represents the additional SP cover provided by the clone. The cost should indeed be higher, but not exponentially so. I agree with the extra risk for having more SP available, but there's no justification why one pilot's grind to replace their clone should be 10 times the length of time compare to another pilot for losing the exact same hull.



• It makes no sense that lots of vets would prefer to use lower SP alts to do things such as frigate or T1 gangs in null simply because it isn't worth their clone expense otherwise.



• Clone costs are a necessary ISK sink. I agree, but don't assume that bittervets hold all the ISK. It's not logical to penalise them based on this false assumption.



• In time nobody will be able to afford clones as the exponential model means it will scale to a point where people need 500mil to replace their clone. The time will come, the change has to happen sooner or later. CCP have already eased this issue in the past, it's just time for another review is all.

Now - I've seen previous posts on this issue go down in a ball of flames. Mainly from people who are rich enough not to care, or newer players who firmly believe that older players should face the penalty imposed by the current system for reasons above. I've seen all the arguments against this notion several times before. Fights should indeed be about risk vs reward, but let people choose the level of risk!

A nerf to the cost of clones has happened before. It is about time the situation was reviewed.

Now please, no flames, and read the points above before posting something stupid. Everyone wants more fights, so why not fix this issue and free people up to have a little more fun.

Just wondering whats with all the BR after your points...are you cold?

I feel this is the most compelling argument, but they all make sense.

It's simple. Press ALT+X and click the 'Pause' button. That way your cost will never go up again :)

Deleted a post for trolling.

This is why we can't have nice things...

It can be daily in nullsec with the huge fights involving interdictors and gate bubbles everywhere. It's a lot of fun but it's silly to only make it doable for lower SP chars. Oh and try 65mil when you get to my level in your career - this was my point that many do not understand.

I'm just asking for balance - trust me this will get more people fighting in null again. So many people despise the place for this imbalance.

I agree. I just saw a thread asking something like "What will EVE look like in ten years?". The point of this thread is to ensure that it doesn't look like 300 mil SP bittervets not wanting to PVP because of their 500mil clone price.

I agree with you mate, but the cost should not be exponential (ie doubling in price every 30mil sp or whatever). Actually maybe a 300mil SP clone would be a lot more than the 500mil I joked about in my previous paragraph...

True, let's say I have a 170mil sp char worth 40bil or whatever. I could sell the char and have no worries. But that would defeat the purpose of character progression by almost starting over again - not everyone has multiple high sp chars and not everyone wants to sell them either.

To be perfectly frank if you've been playing this game for several years & are worried about clone costs, you have other issues to be concerned with.