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Mods, please lock - HOW TO: Ubuntu 12.04 (and 13.04) Desktop with Eve

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Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#81 - 2013-06-08 14:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Torgeir Hekard
Peri Simone wrote:
I'm probably doing it wrong, but...

No, it's just the logs are too big. Trying to output debug on console overloads it. You may try to redirect the log by adding &>wine.log, but that probably still would be too much.

Even just opening the launcher and waiting until it validates the client with WINEDEBUG=+relay generates a half-a-gig logfile and noticeably slows down the process, so it probably still would be very difficult to lanch the actual client. You can try to follow the wiki advice about relay channel filtering, but, still, at this point it is,indeed, probably better to use logserver or ask on wine forums.
Peri Simone
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2013-06-08 15:10:12 UTC
Okay, thanks both.

I'll post the Log Server file in case anyone else has any bright ideas, then head to the Wine forums.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7jCUR8oiUSAd1JjVDYyMnc1WUU/edit?usp=sharing
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#83 - 2013-06-15 21:45:31 UTC
Peri, you might be beyond our help in here. but maybe CCP can look over your logs.

It might be normal computer overheating as well, but who knows. Always crashing at a minute, no matter what you are doing in game, could be memory exhaustion, overheating in your cpu/gbu, etc. And make sure you get a solid reboot in there, try running with basically nothing going. You're looking for the oddman out. You can use htop to monitor how the machine is doing as it goes.
Peri Simone
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2013-06-16 14:31:43 UTC
Hi all. Annoyingly, I never worked out exactly what was causing the problem, but a complete reinstall of Ubuntu finally fixed it.

Cheers, waving of flags, laughing children dancing in the streets, etc.

Fin.
Gigi Barbagrigia
Digital Oddity
#85 - 2013-06-19 16:53:53 UTC
How to run existing Eve install on dual-boot machine
Ubuntu 12.04

[Disclaimer] Some of this is clearly stating the obvious; it's not because I think you're daft

Maybe you have your Ubox set up as dual-boot and was wondering if you could just run existing Windows Eve install from Wine. Here's how I did it:

  • Read OP, no really, read it
  • Grab latest Wine & winetricks like described, generally older versions will get auto-uninstalled but it never hurts to check
  • Mount Windows partion where Eve is installed, usually just clicking drive hosting that partition in file browser will do. Alternativelly you could add it to /etc/fstab so it mounts on boot. In first instance mouseoverin the drive will tell you where it was mounted to, in second you obviously know.
  • Open Wine config tool either from your Dashboard or by typing winecfg in Terminal. Select Drives tab and add new drive mapped to mounted partition; in my case Z:. Ok.
  • Create startup script as described in OP; mine reads:
  • /usr/bin/env WINEPREFIX="$HOME/.wine" DISPLAY=":0.0" wine explorer /desktop=eve1,1024x768 "Z:\EVE\bin\ExeFile.exe"
    where last quoted part is path to exe as seen from Wine's point of view. If you use sound env other than Pulseaudio include that too.
  • Set executable flag on the script and run it.


Running the launcher resulted in it complaining about not being able to connect to anything, hence script runs the client directly. EULA loading took about 2 min, don't give up!
Settings & performance on lower end i3 and an ancient Nvidia:
pic1, pic2, pic3 (quiet system)
xvart
ARK-CORP
#86 - 2013-06-30 05:35:04 UTC
Did this install today,
Installed "sudo aptitude install wine1.6 winetricks alsa-oss", thats all.
Downloaded EVE offline installer.

Machine:
Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS
3.5.0-34-generic x86_64
8G Ram
Software Raid 5
AMD X6 1100T
Dual HD6970's

Installed EVE from download directory, it gave me a desktop icon as well, no issues.

First run the EULA is slooooowwwwwwww.

Tested:
Full screen mode.
All up seems to work fine, I have dual monitor setup and launcher loads into first screen so playable without dual screen fixes.

Window mode.
Works fine, feels a bit slower than full screen.

So far works fine, just drove around space jumped gates and stuff.
Frame rates ok nothing brilliant but that's the ****** underlying engine, with optimised settings and immediate the frame rates peak out around 270 with not a lot on screen, can drop to 30 or lower with stuff.

Issues:
Launcher has some issues but restarting the launcher seems to be the fix for this.
Switching to captains quarters crashes the client.
Usual engine bugs and stutters when reading remote database, my winshit 7 can lock up quite a lot when doing these queries, but it's an old install and full of M$ spyware and upgrade trash, it only has games and FPGA, PCB design code..

So all up nothing too weird and playable.


Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#87 - 2013-07-02 16:47:13 UTC
xvart wrote:

First run the EULA is slooooowwwwwwww.


This is the biggest reason people 'give up' on eve on Linux right now. They see that EULA being slow, the first time it's launched, and get scared that it's all going to be like that.

BTW, I just patched to wine-1.6-rc4, still working quite well.
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#88 - 2013-08-05 15:34:22 UTC
BTW, just an update that 12.04 is still working fine with eve, wine version 1.6. (no patch level) The loader still sucks, but once the loader patches, you can run the exefile.exe file directly to get it started.

Still quite a few minor errors in the logs when you run it, such as constant:
fixme:d3d:resource_check_usage Unhandled usage flags 0x8.

Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2013-08-19 14:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Kismeteer
Two comments:

1. CCP, fix the launcher. It doesn't work a lot of the time. And even when it does, it is TERRIBLE at switching characters/accounts. It is a sad state of affairs when you encourage people to multibox, and your launcher is goddamn painful to multi-account from. Fix it.
2. I encourage most Ubuntu users to stick with the LTS release (Long Term Support) if they can. I have found it to be a lot more stable and with fewer variables to go wrong than the normal latest release. Yes, it sometimes lags behind on updates, but luckily you can just go to the latest repos for these issues, such as wine. 12.04 is the current LTS release, 13.04 is not an LTS release.

Oh yeah, and I edited the main post to reflect my opinion in both things, and have changed the scripts to chop out the launcher until such time that CCP fixes it for Linux.
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#90 - 2013-08-19 17:39:34 UTC
Awww come on. It's been discussed over and over again. Launcher works fine with wine patched to properly handle intermediate CAs.
Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers
#91 - 2013-08-20 08:24:28 UTC
Torgeir Hekard wrote:
Awww come on. It's been discussed over and over again. Launcher works fine with wine patched to properly handle intermediate CAs.

That's true, but it doesn't take away that the launcher is still a piece of **** and a ******** idea in it's current implementation. Here are some of the issues that bother me:

  • Not all distributions have a wine package available that has the awesomium patch applied
  • Not everyone is capable to compile wine by himself so that the awesomium patch can be applied, because it can take some experience to get it to compile.
  • Not everyone is willing to compile wine by himself so that the awesomium patch can be applied, because it takes quite some time
  • When the launcher checks if the client is up to date, (imo) it's ridiculously slow at it and it seemed like it wanted to do it every ******* time I tried to use it, let alone that it only shows a progress bar without showing what it's doing (unlike the repair tool). I want to see if it's hashing files so that I know the reason why that stupid bar stay's a 25% for 30 seconds or else I tend to assume it hanged.
  • Login mutliple accounts looks tedious. Log in -> select char -> launch -> log out; Log in -> select char -> launch -> log out; ... v.s. launch C1, ..., CN -> N x Log in -> N x Select char -> Play;


If they truely want to improve the multiboxing experience then they should make a launcher that asks you how many clients you would like to launch and which accounts + characters you want it to log in. After that the launcher should simply exit, because it does not make any sense to have some software running who's only task is to launch other software (if DRM would be involved it would make more sense, i.e. Steam, but this game requires a subscription so no DRM needed).

After CCP would somehow manage to get a proper launcher then they could think of making a button for people to simply switch character on an account instead of doing the "restart the whole client" stupidity.

To me, the launcher is nothing more than a promotional tool. They want to force their plex deals / tournaments (costing plex) / whatever will fetch them $$ through everyones throat by forcing us to stare at the launcher for as long as CCP is able to have us stare at it.

To me the bin/ExeFile.exe + repair tool is still a far superior method of launching the game and I will for sure use this method until the day it dies or CCP comes up with a proper launcher that:

  • Can launch client directly into a character or just the client itself
  • Stores launching profiles (#of clients + chars or just # of clients)
  • It should store the account passwords so you only need 1 master password to use the launcher
  • It doesn't run in the background, but just exits by default once it launched the profile
  • Allows us to change launching parameters so we could use the same launcher for different client folders (sisi, duality, ...)
  • It would be nice if they stopped relying on proprietary packages that can't run natively on other platforms, so all win, mac and linux users could run the launcher natively and simply changing the client launch in the profile to use wine.


Kropotkin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-08-25 18:22:17 UTC
Torgeir Hekard wrote:
Awww come on. It's been discussed over and over again. Launcher works fine with wine patched to properly handle intermediate CAs.

Please, what are "intermediate CAs"?
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
#93 - 2013-08-30 12:13:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Xubuntu 12.04 LTS success on a Ati/Phenom box.

Just add the usual ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa repo, do the winetricks magic and play Eve.

0ccupational Hazzard --> check out the true love story 

Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#94 - 2013-08-30 12:43:27 UTC
Kropotkin wrote:
Torgeir Hekard wrote:
Awww come on. It's been discussed over and over again. Launcher works fine with wine patched to properly handle intermediate CAs.

Please, what are "intermediate CAs"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_certificate_authorities

For example, look at this very site's cert (for firefox it's the lock icon in URL bar).
The certification path is GeoTrust Global > RapidSSL > *.eveonline.com
In this case, GeoTrus is the root CA and RapidSSL is the intermediate CA.
Son Adamu
The Green Machine
That Escalated Quickly.
#95 - 2013-08-30 17:00:47 UTC
If anyone have troubs with ATI Radeon HD7xxx series (as I did) on Ubuntu 13.04 (I have Linux Mint 15) - low Eve FPS, generally, system-wide lower FPS, do this:

1. Completely PURGE any ATI drivers you have: IT'S A MUST!Big smile
Quote:
sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx fglrx-amdcccle

Quote:
sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx-updates fglrx-amdcccle-updates

Go to Driver Manager, switch to XORG ones, REBOOT.

2. Download latest BETA (you can use the 13.4, for me, 13.8 beta worked) linux drivers (I have x64) 13.8 version, from AMD's site.

3. Go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI

4. Install driver the third way - manually (user preferred really, I did the 3rd way, worked like a charm)

5. REBOOT.

6. !!! WARNING !!! Due to beta nature of the drivers, your desktop after login may look like its missing half its right surface, REBOOT few times to correct. If no success, go to Driver Manager in System Settings and set it to XORG --> REBOOT --> set to fglrx-updates --> REBOOT (after that, I did't had ANY errors whatsoever)

7. Enjoy EVE on 100FPS, steady 60FPS if you put Tear-Free Desktop on (Vertical Synth always on) in Catalyst

p.s. 13.8 beta drivers have no watermark Cool, so there's no need to make a fuss removing it...

My machine:
OS: Mint 15 KDE
Proc: Intel i5-2500k
Graph: Radeon HD 7870 Black Edition
Mem: 8GB 2133MHz
MB: Gigabyte ZZ68XP-UD3P
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#96 - 2013-09-09 17:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kismeteer
Torgeir Hekard wrote:
Awww come on. It's been discussed over and over again. Launcher works fine with wine patched to properly handle intermediate CAs.


Actually, it has not been discussed "over and over" again. Hell, do a search for it on google, you don't get much. I've seen the posts in the launcher discussion, but it's bad assembled ramble put together by players. There is no published solution beyond recompiling wine, which no newbie is going to do, nor do you really want them doing it. There is no 'FAQ on dealing with ****** launcher' stickied post, still. It's badly implemented and badly supported. This is the work around I recommend because it's a LOT easier to just bypass their ****** launcher until they fix it.

I hate the idea of publishing a 'patch' by a player that could be used to hack someone's machine.

What bothers me more is that their CDN is crap for the launcher, aka the first thing every player hits when they want to play. And their CDN is fine for many other files that they push out, so I have no idea what their network people are thinking.

And my original reason for a follow up post: wine 1.7.1 seems to work just fine.
Hulasikali Walla
Brave Nubs
#97 - 2013-09-22 13:38:59 UTC
Working fine with wine 1.6 and Linux mint 15, " windowed mode" on a "old" qosmio G40 ( geforce 8600 M GT )

"
launcher is applying patch, but is not launching the game
"

I use the "exefile.exe" and it work's fine

Thank's for the "how to"
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#98 - 2013-10-03 15:24:36 UTC
Getting reports of corrupted icons, thread on this process: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3690177

This still functions for me with 1.1.
Black Jester
Converting Vegeterians
#99 - 2013-11-05 18:32:08 UTC
Just want to confirm: CQ still not working? I wonder what changed cuz i remember it was working at some point.
Many players don't bother with it but i love the feature and would love to turn it on.
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#100 - 2013-11-06 17:30:39 UTC
Black Jester wrote:
Just want to confirm: CQ still not working? I wonder what changed cuz i remember it was working at some point.
Many players don't bother with it but i love the feature and would love to turn it on.


Last I tried, it did not work, but that was a new box with a crap video card. Space part ran fine, even with 3 clients though.