EVE General Discussion

Thigh-slapping hilarious thread, especially 1st page.

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No one believed that the author was INTENDING to support those things. The things that he wrote did tend to support them, however. This shows that the AUTHOR does not understand hyperbole, as his attempt at it backfired.

The central metaphor that original piece starts with is "Like everyone, he had been taught since elementary school that sharing books was nasty and wrong—something that only pirates would do." He compares that to afk-mining. Sharing books is wonderful, and afk-mining ruins the game. That comparison is farcical.

the right to afk mine
torvin yulus
the proveldteriat papers

for Ice Monkey, the road to revolution began in the Tolle - when Ore-inator asked to borrow his skiff. Hers had been ganked by the goons, and unless she could borrow another one, she would have to grind back up from an ibis. There was no one she dared ask, except Ice Monkey.

this put Monkey in a dilemma. He had to help her - but if he lent her his skiff, she might afk mine withit. aside from the fact that you could get permabanned for many years for afk mining, the very idea shocked him at first. like everyone else, he ahd been caught by the gooncademy that afk mining was nasty and wrong - something that only pubbies would do

and there wasn't much chance that the New Order would fail to catch him. In his gooncademy classes, Monkey learned that each ice belt had a bumper that reported when someone was afk to goon command. the next time his skiff was in a belt, goon command would send a fleetof talos to gank him. he, as the skiff owner, would recieve the harshest punishment - for not taking pains to prevent the crime.

of course, Ore-inator did not nececarilly intend to afk the mines. she might want the skiff only to mine for her pos, but Monkey knew she was of a middle class family and could hardly afford a retriever, let alone her mining permits. afk mining in a skiff might be the only way she can PLEX her accounts. Monkey understood this himself having had to take a massive loan from the Goonbank to pay for the billions in mining permits of James 315 in the hope he could make it back mining.

later, Monkey would learn that there was a time when anyone could go afk mine ina belt for free. there were independent miners who mined thousands of units of ice a day without Goonswarm Financial Grants. but by 2012 both CCP and the goons had begun charging permits to acess ice. By 2015, ice mining without a mining permit was a bannable offense.

monkey would learn that anyone used to be able to go afk while mining. there were even guides to maximizing afk minging profit, but too many non goons made money so the goons ruled that afk mining had the sole purpose of destroying the goons.

goons still needed ice, of course, but ice miners in 2015 were distributed numbered skiffs and mining permits oblt, and only to Gooncademy graduates.

it was possible to bypass the mining permits and mine some ice without paying goons and James 315. but today that would require protection from bumpers and neither Goons nor Concord would ever give you that.

Monkey concluided he couldn't lend his skiff. but he couldn't refuse to help her because ice miners are comrades. he resovled the problem by doing something even more unthinkables - he gave her his account details so the goons would think that it was him, a good citizen who NEVER afk mined.

of course if James 316 or the goons ever found out about this, it would be curtains for not only those 2 but 1000 others for making ane xample. CCP policy was to not sell PLEX to anyone on the goon blacklist so that they wouldn't be able to keep playing anymore.

The future of 2015 is coming, do not let it happen!
PRoveldetariat!

the right to afk mine
torvin yulus
the proveldteriat papers

for Ice Monkey, the road to revolution began in the Tolle - when Ore-inator asked to borrow his skiff. Hers had been ganked by the goons, and unless she could borrow another one, she would have to grind back up from an ibis. There was no one she dared ask, except Ice Monkey.

this put Monkey in a dilemma. He had to help her - but if he lent her his skiff, she might afk mine withit. aside from the fact that you could get permabanned for many years for afk mining, the very idea shocked him at first. like everyone else, he ahd been caught by the gooncademy that afk mining was nasty and wrong - something that only pubbies would do

and there wasn't much chance that the New Order would fail to catch him. In his gooncademy classes, Monkey learned that each ice belt had a bumper that reported when someone was afk to goon command. the next time his skiff was in a belt, goon command would send a fleetof talos to gank him. he, as the skiff owner, would recieve the harshest punishment - for not taking pains to prevent the crime.

of course, Ore-inator did not nececarilly intend to afk the mines. she might want the skiff only to mine for her pos, but Monkey knew she was of a middle class family and could hardly afford a retriever, let alone her mining permits. afk mining in a skiff might be the only way she can PLEX her accounts. Monkey understood this himself having had to take a massive loan from the Goonbank to pay for the billions in mining permits of James 315 in the hope he could make it back mining.

later, Monkey would learn that there was a time when anyone could go afk mine ina belt for free. there were independent miners who mined thousands of units of ice a day without Goonswarm Financial Grants. but by 2012 both CCP and the goons had begun charging permits to acess ice. By 2015, ice mining without a mining permit was a bannable offense.

monkey would learn that anyone used to be able to go afk while mining. there were even guides to maximizing afk minging profit, but too many non goons made money so the goons ruled that afk mining had the sole purpose of destroying the goons.

goons still needed ice, of course, but ice miners in 2015 were distributed numbered skiffs and mining permits oblt, and only to Gooncademy graduates.

it was possible to bypass the mining permits and mine some ice without paying goons and James 315. but today that would require protection from bumpers and neither Goons nor Concord would ever give you that.

Monkey concluided he couldn't lend his skiff. but he couldn't refuse to help her because ice miners are comrades. he resovled the problem by doing something even more unthinkables - he gave her his account details so the goons would think that it was him, a good citizen who NEVER afk mined.

of course if James 316 or the goons ever found out about this, it would be curtains for not only those 2 but 1000 others for making ane xample. CCP policy was to not sell PLEX to anyone on the goon blacklist so that they wouldn't be able to keep playing anymore.

The future of 2015 is coming, do not let it happen!
PRoveldetariat!

One may also enter a restaurant, eat an appetizer and decline the whole rest of the meal afterwards.
As long as he pays for the meal, no one has the right to tell him a iota.

No, but they have the ability. Welcome to EVE, where sometimes people will do mean things to you that you don't want them to do, and this is the selling point of the game.

Power is all that matters.

Power is all that matters.

Perhaps I worded this wrong. I do that sometimes.

Let me put it this way.

If you're not playing the game, then what right do you have to dictate to CCP or other players how you should be treated in it?

What right do you have to the resources you're whisking away from players who put in the effort?

Your analogy is fallacious because it assumes that people would be stupid enough to pay for a full meal and just eat the appetizer when they could just as easily buy themselves a box of crackers and dip, or get a cheeseburger from maccas instead. People aren't that stupid, though, and EVE isn't a restaurant. The point I'm making has nothing to do with what you have the right to do - the point I'm making is what you *DON'T* have the right to expect if you're not playing the game.

Real power. Your ability to do things to others, or to prevent other people from doing things to you.

The problem with AFK miners is that they have intentionally given up that last.

There is no such thing as "real" power in eve when it comes to the players and who has power. It all comes down to how many turrents your power grid allows you to fit to blow clones back to a med bay.

If miners want to go AFK and get all butthurt about it all, just ignore them. Plain and simple. If you come across them report them as bots and then blast them out of the vacuum. They'll learn eventually.