Warfare & Tactics

Not heard much about these recently but do want, can see one massive glaring issue however:

* An anchored Cyno Jammer automatically turns online after the spool-up period and works for 1 hour

Why only one hour? I'm presuming it's because it's non interact-able or something. Change this now CCP!

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It's disappointing because this feature has the potential to make space inherently 'worth' something to militia corps.

I suppose the mechanics of it would be a PITA though, at present it sounds like a 'fire and forget' structure. If it was something that pilots/corps could tinker with then everyone would be locked out indefinitely and I could see how that would be unhelpful.

Maybe make them cheaper (IIRC they are 100mil as proposed?) so they can be spammed if necessary but are unlikely to present a permanent blockage.

What would people propose for something that is useful without being stupid...

Just one? Why my dear Nelson, I do believe you have the telescope to your blind eye again.

Problems are:
- They do not add anything of value. Only issue in FW with regards to capitals is the bored-to-tears null super blobs having nothing to do as its one giant love-in/NAP fest .. since supers still need supers to counter and with lowsec not being able to build them there is no real way to go about it.
My hope is that CCP hamstrings the fugly (balance wise) things when away from null thus removing the only "real" reason for the suggested jammer.
- Were they static/permanent you'd have null blobs coming through to clear them several times a week, so CCP and the null lobby (lazy as they are) opted for a severely time limited jammer.
- Supposedly purchasable with LP in the hopes that it too would help bleed some from the system .. but since capital slug-outs are not exactly everyday occurrences in FW the price would need to be truly exorbitant to such a degree that no one would bother in the first place.
- They do not add anything of value (pretty damn important point that bears repeating!).

What potential? Did you listen to cawing that erupted from the lazyass null community after the mere idea of a cyno was voiced .. it will never be implemented in any meaningful form as that means restricting nulls God given right to be able to move 2000 people across the cluster in ten minutes and back again after the weekly EHP has been ground.

If the aim is to truly give FW something vs. everyone else then you need to look for another tree as we do not have a hope in hell of a doing much of anything against people whose modus operandi involve rolling in fleets (they call those numbers gangs I think) ten times larger than the weekend brawl FW fleets.
Industrial claims would be just as appealing as now, we knock down a null-bear tower under a jammer .. it reinforces .. they blob the snot out it 2 days later using a bridge into adjacent, end result is zero value added to game .. no fights, no blood only a bit of LP wasted.

Now if your second and third paragraph is really of interest to you, then:
- Any industrial or military installation put online within FW space foregoes its potential strontium reserves unless such installation is put in place by a corp/alliance serving in the system controlling militia or militia serving the original system owners.
** So no reinforcement timer for 'outsiders', alts welcome as always. Need to knock down an entire system or "bring it" if no alts available .. we get more pew and a secondary revenue stream. Towers are dirt cheap, use and abuse, maybe make additional anchoring/onlining rules for FW space to make it even more common to drop (ex. each tower in hostile system lowers VP needed by 5%, similar to but smaller than planets (Dust))
- Bridges to standard cyno's (ie. not coverts) into Empire held space (ie. everywhere but null) are jammed by the powers that be.
- Supercapitals operating in Empire controlled space are jammed by the power that be and thereby lose any immunity they might have possessed prior to entering said space.

In short: The cyno jammer is merely another piece of evidence to the pile that says that CCP believes that nothing in Eve affects anything else and anything can thus be added/subtracted will-nilly with no adverse effects. A->B->C every time!
Eve is a staggering complex web of interconnected stuff where an imbalance in a PvE weapon system can bring 10k man alliances to their knees when said imbalance is abused (ref: Drake Blob) .. until CCP realises that and starts accounting for it when designing/planning additions I will point to flaws and resist every (almost) change they want to make.

Some quite interesting suggestions made I think. I think as an issue of balance I'd like to see something that gives a sizable advantage to the smaller holding force whilst not being totally prohibitive to outsider influences. I still think a modified cyno jammer could do that.

More broadly, I don't believe in lp as a driver for sov. It would be better if the systems we fight over had some implicit worth. I'd be interested in hearing any ideas for this (or against this).

yes, yes and yes.

The idea of the warzone isn't to provide a nice feeding ground for indy types and bears, that's what highsec and dreary NRDS areas of nullsec are for. Increasing the profitability of carebearing in an area doesn't do anything to stimulate PvP (at least not directly and not between two or more *armed* ships), so it's a bad way to balance the mechanics.

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One option... Increase the number of station research ans manufacturing slots in fw stations. Only those people fighting for the faction currently in control of the system can use the slots. If a job is in process when a conquest occurs, the job still completes and can be retrieved, that player just couldn't start a new job till the system is recaptured.

Or pi tax for those fighting for the faction in control of a system receive no pi tax. Those outside the controlling faction face a higher tax.

Neutrals to fw could not used the slots or would face the higher tax no matter who controls the system.

You just reached the destination all on your own: Why WZC mechanic is worse/crap/utter shite compared to a more localized reward system.

Once upon a time CCP dabbled with something called Capital systems in null sov mechanics but it was given up because :effort:, a system based on that age old concept could benefit FW quite handily .. corporate HQ's currently have no meaning other than a small fee reduction I think so might as well slap some stuff on it
NOTE: The following should be seen in conjunction with previously mentioned local industrial advantages.
- Empires issue charters where factions within the militia's are granted special privileges in exchange for protecting a slice of space, automatic based on below only mentioned for lore/RP reasons.
- FW corporations can designate a system as their chartered turf by having the HQ in said system. If more than one HQ is present any turf benefits are split among applicable entities (should foster some conflict).
- FW alliances can designate a constellation as their chartered turf by having its corporations claim (see above) a majority of systems in said constellation. Claims cannot be shared by "outsiders" if it is to be valid.
* The average 5 system constellation can have an alliance benefiting from all system with two independent corporations each having a system from which they gain benefit (politics thus added).
- HQ can only be moved to/from a stable system.
- Loosing ones charter (read: loosing system) has :insertwhineworthydraconianmeasure: penalty. Moving HQ, only being possible if system is stable, does not invoke the penalty (if you want the added ISK power, you damn well better defend the right!).
- In systems where no stations exist to harbour a HQ, moon/planet control determines whether a charter is issued (Dust tie-in).

A more localized reward system would theoretically foster a lot more conflict both internally and externally whereas WZC system has already proven its fail by essentially creating two militia's where once there were four .. there should be some effect of the militia being successful as a whole but the primary effect ought to be from local space control.
As an example one could look at how RISK awards units each turn, you have by territories plus continental bonus when applicable and finally the Risk cards .. to translate to Eve you have a low\ish effect of total space (WZC), higher effect from cohesive space control (constellations) and lastly the highest effect from investments in system/constellation.

What was the topic again? .. hahahahahahaha

Actually, most of the HQ stuff is brutally lifted from the 4-5 year old discussion on how to make lowsec a valid lifestyle in and of itself (flying around flashing oneself is not what I consider a valid lifestyle) .. the criminal underbelly of Eve with turfs in which protection schemes can be conducted and what not.
What I am (and have been for four years) aiming for is an underlying framework that will function with both FW and LS in general with only (or mostly) the 'reward' portion differentiating the two .. call it mini-sov if you like.

PS: It is not a small target audience, it is a non-existent audience .. you jam, knock tower into stront .. two days later you are blueballed as one of the 500 null Titans bridges in 500 sheep next door to any jammed system .. won't work.