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[GALMIL] Intaki Liberated!

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2012-11-13 10:31:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Gussarde en Welle wrote:

Meanwhile, legions of vicious and totally insane pirates lurking in nullsec thirst for the blood of the weakened victor and all the innocent victims left in the wake of the two thrashing titans. Every one of you should feel ashamed.


And what precisely are you doing about it, Msr. Welle? CONCORDs designation of a homeworld as a warzone is to blame for the perception of our spiritual if not actual birth-world as a bauble to be traded in the currency of arms and blood. The Assembly's fixation on independence whilst maintaining no recognisable standing navy was responsible for the canker of piracy in the area taking root, albeit decades after the initial implementation of that agreement.

Piracy is endemic to all low security regions and there are institutions that combat it, alas the very nature of capsuleers means that no matter how far we sink, our licenses can only be revoked by 'gross breaches of CONCORD mandate', which do not include wholesale slaughter and criminal activity.

When all is said and done, pretty prose and apoplectic rage in this medium will achieve little other than highlighting your impotence and inability to do more than urge your betters to clean up after you. Look to the IPI for a beleaguered force, set upon by all sides, sticking true to it's vow of neutrality whilst attempting to stave off unimaginable odds in the defence of their stated mission around the homeworld. If you truly think that I, my people, or our opposite numbers in the Federation are to blame for your inability to act, while the IPI soldiers on regardless of personal risk and loss, it speaks volumes of your character or lack thereof.

Basically, if you feel that the powers that be are not living up to your expectations, maybe they do not owe you that service? Take up arms, find like-minded people, and push the scourge of piracy out of Placid. That is assuming you have the mettle and oratory to achieve such a thing, hmm?

For my part, I have been funding the anti-pirate activities of Broken Bridge by purchasing the exotic technologies recovered from such actions at cost to myself in the interests of combating both capsuleer and baseline piratical forces in Black Rise. Words are cheap, inaction an unpunished crime.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#22 - 2012-11-13 14:57:42 UTC
Gussarde en Welle wrote:
Aelisha wrote:

As for my friends in the IPI, I am sure words speaking larger than action from the Federation comes as no surprise to you. Best of luck in your efforts.


Meanwhile, legions of vicious and totally insane pirates lurking in nullsec thirst for the blood of the weakened victor and all the innocent victims left in the wake of the two thrashing titans. Every one of you should feel ashamed.

I hear the Mordus police the Intaki Assembly hired will protect you.
von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-11-13 16:19:24 UTC
If liberty and equality of Intaki people, as is thought by some, are to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share the same moral values. Therefore a brief conversation with Mr. Gallentius is the best argument against democracy.

von Khan

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
Stay Feral
#24 - 2012-11-13 16:23:11 UTC
Impressive work.

Now let's see if you can hold it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-11-13 16:59:26 UTC
Aelisha wrote:

Basically, if you feel that the powers that be are not living up to your expectations, maybe they do not owe you that service? Take up arms, find like-minded people, and push the scourge of piracy out of Placid. That is assuming you have the mettle and oratory to achieve such a thing, hmm?



What makes you think that I am not doing this exact thing?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#26 - 2012-11-13 17:00:49 UTC
von Khan wrote:
If liberty and equality of Intaki people, as is thought by some, are to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share the same moral values. Therefore a brief conversation with Mr. Gallentius is the best argument against democracy.
Democracy serves diversity better than conformity. Only religious zealots share the same values. For them a religious dictatorship is the best form of government.
von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-11-13 19:19:55 UTC  |  Edited by: von Khan
Intaki people have the same values they strive for a life of virtue, how would you label them?

von Khan

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
Stay Feral
#28 - 2012-11-13 20:20:53 UTC
von Khan wrote:
Intaki people have the same values they strive for a life of virtue, how would you label them?


Amarrians should be aware that while both the Empire and the Intaki are deeply spiritual societies, similarities end there, and the vast majority of Intaki would be gravely insulted by most comparisons the average Amarrian capsuleer often tries to draw between their cultures.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-11-13 20:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: von Khan
You misunderstood, its not a comparison.

von Khan

Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-11-13 20:41:33 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
von Khan wrote:
Intaki people have the same values they strive for a life of virtue, how would you label them?


Amarrians should be aware that while both the Empire and the Intaki are deeply spiritual societies, similarities end there, and the vast majority of Intaki would be gravely insulted by most comparisons the average Amarrian capsuleer often tries to draw between their cultures.


Namas, Andreus.

The core teachings of Pax Amarria at the esoteric level are very similar to those in the First Golden Suthra.

The greatest divide between Pax Amarria and Ida are the Amarrian doctrines of the existence of a personal God, entitlement to the lives and wills of others and Conquer and Convert. Ida sees these things as an imposition of the will and besides it being a projection of suffering, Ida describes them as ultimately harmful to the Enlightenment of those that practice it. By and large, we see this conflict manifested within the Amarr culture, which has shown itself to be capable of the highest good as well as the blackest evil. It hovers, trapped in a cycle between Samusara and Niuvana.

However, we have the choice of building bridges between Ida and Pax Amarria and offering the wisdom of the Suthras to those Amarrians that would move closer to releasing their slaves, ending the pursuit of conquest and achieving Enlightenment. Every day you make that choice, to build that bridge and offer a fellow soul your hand.
Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
#31 - 2012-11-13 20:50:47 UTC
I believe the Pax Amarria is a political manifest (Emperor Heideran's, to be specific), not a religious text.

Since political leaders are also religious leaders in the Amarr Empire, it could be argued to be a religious text on that technicality - but to the best of my knowledge, the Pax Amarria is not regarded as "scripture".
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-11-13 21:05:33 UTC
Natalcya Katla wrote:
I believe the Pax Amarria is a political manifest (Emperor Heideran's, to be specific), not a religious text.

Since political leaders are also religious leaders in the Amarr Empire, it could be argued to be a religious text on that technicality - but to the best of my knowledge, the Pax Amarria is not regarded as "scripture".


Fair enough. I am using the term the way I hear von Khan use it. I have no idea what they call their religion other than "God".
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#33 - 2012-11-13 21:10:53 UTC
Gussarde en Welle wrote:
Natalcya Katla wrote:
I believe the Pax Amarria is a political manifest (Emperor Heideran's, to be specific), not a religious text.

Since political leaders are also religious leaders in the Amarr Empire, it could be argued to be a religious text on that technicality - but to the best of my knowledge, the Pax Amarria is not regarded as "scripture".


Fair enough. I am using the term the way I hear von Khan use it. I have no idea what they call their religion other than "God".


The Pax Amarria is actually an award winning (from the Gallente federation no less) book on how the Amarr can achieve peace. Many hardline Conservative Amarr hated and still hate the book. It advocated stepping back, moderating. It didn't advocate immediately ending slavery as a whole because that idea is completely idiotic from a realpolitik standpoint, but it certaintly advocated treating slaves decently (an idea in line with the Emperor's entire reign, in fact), and not taking any more slaves from outside of the Empire's current borders. It was really quite revolutionary progressive.

This is the second time I have heard you criticize the Amarrian religion without understanding the first thing about it. Perhaps you should do some studying!
von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-11-13 21:44:37 UTC  |  Edited by: von Khan
Gussarde, We can discuss this topic but I feel this not the time nor the forum to do so. To clarify Pax Amarr is not Scripture as Mr. Thessalonia and Ms. Katla commented.

Back on the topic
X Gallentius wrote:
Democracy serves diversity better than conformity. Only religious zealots share the same values. For them a religious dictatorship is the best form of government.


Intaki people have the same values (Ida) they strive for a life of virtue, how would you label them? Terrorist, criminals?

Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. The majority of citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority...and that oppression of the majority will extend to far great number, and will be carried on with much greater fury, than can almost ever be apprehended from the dominion of a single scepter.

Amarrians have seen this cycle many times over. From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more. Without the moral guidance of God we are bound to the decay of virtue and a meaningless life.

von Khan

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#35 - 2012-11-14 04:06:22 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
I think the general feeling is that if you want Tier 5, then you ought to join the militia and upgrade it yourself.

The general feeling in Intaki is actually one of stoic determination and the seemingly impotent wish that the meatgrinding conflict that rages on would end, as any reasonable citizens would.

I am pleased to confirm though, that the demands for a boycott of the Intaki system have been ignored completely by the more honourable pilots in FedMil. Any rejection of such negative policies, which can only be intended to take a vindictive swipe at an innocent population, is to be celebrated.

The IPI therefore thanks those pilots who had the courage to stand against the vitriol of the General and others like him. We are grateful to those who had the conscience to mitigate the impact of the ongoing conflict through active investment, for they leave behind them a real and positive legacy.

Mekhana wrote:
Bataav you have proven to me once again you are merely a politician at best and a mere puppet of the Caldari State.

Really? Have you so little real criticism of me or the Intaki secessionist movement in general that you can find no alternative but to fall back on that old accusation? "The ILF want to leave the Federation so that must mean they're in bed with the State! There can be no other possible explanation!"

Please. Let's not. From your participation in other discussions that I have read, I had taken you to be someone whose intelligence I could respect, someone I could expect to engage in debate when we consider the obvious difference in our politics regarding Intaki. But if you're reduced to pulling the "Caldari puppet" card perhaps I was mistaken.

The Federation you champion is lauded as a shining beacon of democracy, land of free speech. Yet when we raise valid criticism of the Federation or its policies in Placid, or point to blatantly hostile comments and intentions on the part of the pilots who fly under the Federation's banner, such as those that have been made in this discussion, this is automatically, without question taken as proof as a loyalty to the State?

Seriously?

Almost 18 months ago, the IPI received two declarations of war, both from corporations operating as part of CalMil. The reason stated for the hostilities, in both cases, was because we were long standing allies with the I-RED alliance and they had been judged to be pro-Federation. By extension we were considered the same and therefore we were valid targets for their pilots.

The fact is, pilots on both sides of the conflict will take any opportunity they can to convince themselves of whatever excuses they need. If they are able to sweep away any criticism that might make them uncomfortable then they will do so. What this means is that when you look at the contradictions that are heaped upon the ILF and wider IPI it's ridiculous. If it wasn't so tragic it'd almost be laughable.

As it is the IPI will continue to make efforts to work towards a better Intaki, regardless of the machinations of war that go on around us.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#36 - 2012-11-14 04:25:23 UTC
Intaki is at Level 3, not Level 5. But yes, there is at least one Federation Militia pilot who does not understand the lengths to which Intaki separatists are willing to leech off the hard work of others.

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2012-11-14 10:42:02 UTC
Gussarde en Welle wrote:
Aelisha wrote:

Basically, if you feel that the powers that be are not living up to your expectations, maybe they do not owe you that service? Take up arms, find like-minded people, and push the scourge of piracy out of Placid. That is assuming you have the mettle and oratory to achieve such a thing, hmm?



What makes you think that I am not doing this exact thing?


I'll leave the reasons of my obvious doubt to your capable, driven imagination.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#38 - 2012-11-14 22:33:12 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
Gussarde en Welle wrote:
Aelisha wrote:

Basically, if you feel that the powers that be are not living up to your expectations, maybe they do not owe you that service? Take up arms, find like-minded people, and push the scourge of piracy out of Placid. That is assuming you have the mettle and oratory to achieve such a thing, hmm?



What makes you think that I am not doing this exact thing?


I'll leave the reasons of my obvious doubt to your capable, driven imagination.

No need for imagination. They keep records of these things:
Intergalatic Hostile Engagement Record
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-11-15 02:49:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Gussarde en Welle
Roll
That's nice Gallentius, I'm glad you can look up a kill record. Who cares? Big things start small and take a long time to grow.
You had a beginning too, once, and your big title and long list of decorations don't seem to inform your sense of diplomacy much.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#40 - 2012-11-15 02:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
I forgot my mentor Juan Rayo's favorite saying "Today's noob is tomorrow's cold-blooded killer," My apologies. We will be watching your progress, and I hope some day you will join our side and fight for the militia.