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Judas II
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#1 - 2012-11-11 16:53:43 UTC
It has been mentioned CCP is 'looking into' these OP fast Tengus. Any word of specific changes, when or how?

Ta

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-11-11 17:20:32 UTC
Judas II wrote:
It has been mentioned CCP is 'looking into' these OP fast Tengus. Any word of specific changes, when or how?

Ta



I guess they have to look at those 100MN Lokis, Legions and Proteus first if there's some problem. By the way what's the problem with those?

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LtauSTinpoWErs
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-11-12 18:43:22 UTC
Judas II wrote:
It has been mentioned CCP is 'looking into' these OP fast Tengus. Any word of specific changes, when or how?

Ta


Without links, implants, and a lot of faction, they really aren't that fast. I think they are fine. Plus they will be doing less damage come winter. If you can't figure out how to slow one of these down, then I don't think the Tengu is the issue here.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#4 - 2012-11-12 19:36:21 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Judas II wrote:
It has been mentioned CCP is 'looking into' these OP fast Tengus. Any word of specific changes, when or how?

Ta



I guess they have to look at those 100MN Lokis, Legions and Proteus first if there's some problem. By the way what's the problem with those?


there are no 100mn proteuses, doubt there are 100mn legions, and even if there would be 100mn lokis, you can't fit arty's on them and have >200 dps with long range ammo.

on the other hand you have 100mn tengus with 76k base ehp, almost 2k speed and 500dps up to max targeting range 117k
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-11-12 21:45:24 UTC
nahjustwarpin wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Judas II wrote:
It has been mentioned CCP is 'looking into' these OP fast Tengus. Any word of specific changes, when or how?

Ta



I guess they have to look at those 100MN Lokis, Legions and Proteus first if there's some problem. By the way what's the problem with those?


there are no 100mn proteuses, doubt there are 100mn legions, and even if there would be 100mn lokis, you can't fit arty's on them and have >200 dps with long range ammo.

on the other hand you have 100mn tengus with 76k base ehp, almost 2k speed and 500dps up to max targeting range 117k



Well, the DPS is already going to get nerfed, as is the range, and as for the rest?

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Akturous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-11-12 23:22:05 UTC
They are fine. If they stop allowing oversize prop mods on everything I will be pissed, no 100mn cynabals, tornados or 10mn hookbills. It's a unique fitting aspect that comes with a lot of penalties only overcome with links and snakes. Align time is terrible, they use a lot of powergrid.

100mn legion and loki are great for g-tfo'ing when scramed. The only problem with the tengu is damage projection, not a problem with the 100mn fit.

My particular 100mn Tengu is worth nearly 2.5bill and I only use it with snakes and a link loki. If I spent the same on a Machariel it would also be fairly good. Web Loki+Curse+hurricane=really dead 100mn ship very quick. People whinge they're op because they have a gang of bcs and can't kill one. Recons noobs, train them.

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SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-11-12 23:59:49 UTC
100MN Tengus aren't all that hard to kill.

Of course when you encounter a gang with absolutly no webs, it ends pretty fast. But if you can hold webs long enough, you'll kill it, simple at that.

In order to do that, you need to either :

Have a tanky long-range dual web ship (Aka, Armor Loki with skirmish bonuses)

Have a long-range webbing ship with some Ewar to cover it (Aka bring a Keres)

Seriously tho. Bring a Keres with range-dampening scripts. Bring a Rapier with 3/4 webs, that would be enough.

Then, just ask your Rapier dude to be at least 20km away from the Tengu, and at most 50km away.

Keep it webbed, kill it with something that can project DPS up to 20km.

What peoples don't realize is that it's a special ship. You need a special tactic to take it down.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#8 - 2012-11-13 00:56:21 UTC
i like it that you say that easy to pop it, but then you say you need 3+ ships to take it down :)
Dave Stark
#9 - 2012-11-13 01:10:37 UTC
surely the easy solution is to not let you put 100mn on anything smaller than a battleship.

same with 10mn and nothing smaller than a cruiser, etc.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#10 - 2012-11-13 01:37:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Seranova Farreach
nahjustwarpin wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Judas II wrote:
It has been mentioned CCP is 'looking into' these OP fast Tengus. Any word of specific changes, when or how?

Ta



I guess they have to look at those 100MN Lokis, Legions and Proteus first if there's some problem. By the way what's the problem with those?


there are no 100mn proteuses, doubt there are 100mn legions, and even if there would be 100mn lokis, you can't fit arty's on them and have >200 dps with long range ammo.

on the other hand you have 100mn tengus with 76k base ehp, almost 2k speed and 500dps up to max targeting range 117k


there are, and 100mn HAM legions rock your wormhole.

ps if its "almost" 2k speed your doing it wrong. should be like 2.2k to 2.6k

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nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#11 - 2012-11-13 01:44:16 UTC
Seranova Farreach wrote:
nahjustwarpin wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Judas II wrote:
It has been mentioned CCP is 'looking into' these OP fast Tengus. Any word of specific changes, when or how?

Ta



I guess they have to look at those 100MN Lokis, Legions and Proteus first if there's some problem. By the way what's the problem with those?


there are no 100mn proteuses, doubt there are 100mn legions, and even if there would be 100mn lokis, you can't fit arty's on them and have >200 dps with long range ammo.

on the other hand you have 100mn tengus with 76k base ehp, almost 2k speed and 500dps up to max targeting range 117k


there are, and 100mn HAM legions rock your wormhole.

ps if its "almost" 2k speed your doing it wrong. should be like 2.2k to 2.6k


ok, let me be more specific.. "before implants/boosts/injected boosters"
Akturous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-11-13 16:03:12 UTC
nahjustwarpin wrote:
i like it that you say that easy to pop it, but then you say you need 3+ ships to take it down :)


Jesus dude, perhaps you'd like to be able to kill everything with a solo draek? It's a min 600mill isk ship, you can't expect it to just lay down and die. Bringing a recon and two bc's to kill one isn't excessive, nor is it unreasonable.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#13 - 2012-11-13 17:51:29 UTC
Akturous wrote:
nahjustwarpin wrote:
i like it that you say that easy to pop it, but then you say you need 3+ ships to take it down :)


Jesus dude, perhaps you'd like to be able to kill everything with a solo draek? It's a min 600mill isk ship, you can't expect it to just lay down and die. Bringing a recon and two bc's to kill one isn't excessive, nor is it unreasonable.


Use a vigilant... It's 90% web will hold it, and it may even solo it, although it's a dps race that the vigilant will generally lose unless fit specifically to tank the Tengu. If you bring a second dps boat the tengu loses.