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Xanos Blackpaw

Azure Consortium

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#1 - 2012-11-11 14:02:10 UTC

Ok, I need some help with my nightmare fit for lvl 4 missions. Mind that this is in amarr space so there is a ton of sansha and blood missions, meaning heavy EM/Therm.

So here is the fit i came up with:

[Nightmare, missions]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II

EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Hammerhead II x5

Cap last for 5 minutes, 48 seconds with everything active. The problem is that I'm not sure that's enough.

For your tips, keep in mind i do not want to put billion isk modules on this thing, thats just pure gank bait.

bloodknight2

Revenu.Quebec

Likes received: 358

#2 - 2012-11-11 14:23:50 UTC

[Nightmare, New Setup 1]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II

Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Shield Boost Amplifier I

Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

You don't need to be cap stable.

Xanos Blackpaw

Azure Consortium

Likes received: 22

#3 - 2012-11-11 15:04:45 UTC

bloodknight2 wrote:

I know you don't need to be cap stable, but do you really bring the incoming dps down enough with a run time of only 1 and a half minute like the fit you showed me?


bloodknight2 Revenu.Quebec Likes received: 358	#4 - 2012-11-11 15:16:17 UTC Xanos Blackpaw wrote: I know you don't need to be cap stable, but do you really bring the incoming dps down enough with a run time of only 1 and a half minute like the fit you showed me? 1min20 of cap is enough, because you only need to use your shield rep when needed. I can solo every lv4 my agent in Shuria is giving me and i never needed moar cap.

Xanos Blackpaw

Azure Consortium

Likes received: 22

#5 - 2012-11-11 15:17:30 UTC

bloodknight2 wrote:

Xanos Blackpaw wrote:

I know you don't need to be cap stable, but do you really bring the incoming dps down enough with a run time of only 1 and a half minute like the fit you showed me?

1min20 of cap is enough, because you only need to use your shield rep when needed. I can solo every lv4 my agent in Shuria is giving me and i never needed moar cap.

Ok, i'll give it a try. Keep in mind that if i lose the NM i'll send you a ragey eve mail you can show your corp mates :p


bloodknight2 Revenu.Quebec Likes received: 358	#6 - 2012-11-11 15:27:34 UTC Xanos Blackpaw wrote: [quote=bloodknight2] Ok, i'll give it a try. Keep in mind that if i lose the NM i'll send you a ragey eve mail you can show your corp mates :p Keep in mind i have some faction stuff helping. Test your nightmare before using my fit and removing a therm hardener for a shield boost amplifier will help with the cap.

Malcanis

Vanishing Point.

The Initiative.

Likes received: 18,382

#7 - 2012-11-11 15:48:32 UTC

Xanos Blackpaw wrote:

That's fine. There are some minor tweaks that could be suggested, like dropping the 4th hardner for a boost amp or an Afterburner (depending on the exact mission) and so forth, but your basic fit will function very well. You won't need to run everything continuously, because you'll be murdering rats so fast. Later, upgrade one of your cap rigs to T2, and acquire a set of +5% hardwirings as an early priority.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Malcanis

Vanishing Point.

The Initiative.

Likes received: 18,382

#8 - 2012-11-11 15:59:22 UTC | Edited by: Malcanis

Incidentally: re semiconductors vs CC rigs. The CCCs provide a slightly higher cap/s, but the semis provide a far larger cap buffer. The more time the average mission lasts, the more the ccc rigs can catch up with the head start that the semis have.

3 T1 semi rigs give you an extra 13213-8688 = 4525 cap to start off with

3 T1 ccc rigs give you an extra 2.7 cap/s compared to the semis

Assuming you're keeping your capacitor at ~peak recharge for the whole mission, the ccc rigs become advantageous after 4525/2.7 = 1676 seconds; 28 minutes.

Most missions last much less than 28 minutes, and you will not in fact be at peak recharge for the whole time you're undocked. For a ship like the Nightmare with a large starting capacitor and a rather mediocre cap recharge, semis are arguably better unless you're in a position to accept multiple missions per undock.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Arcosian

Arcosian Heavy Industries Corp Holding

Likes received: 135

#9 - 2012-11-11 16:20:48 UTC | Edited by: Arcosian

[Nightmare, (missions)]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Energy Metastasis Adjuster I
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

5% hardwires

or this one:

[Nightmare, Current fit (missions)]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Energy Metastasis Adjuster I
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

5% hardwires

11min cap without booster running, tracking of pulse lasers, but little less tank

C.A.R.E. B.E.A.R.S. 294
Alua Oresson C.A.R.E. B.E.A.R.S. Likes received: 294	#10 - 2012-11-12 09:13:57 UTC When I ran a Nightmare I used a Pith Large booster on it. Not quite as micromanagey as an XL booster. I tend to get tunnel vision though, your mileage may vary, but it's plenty of tank. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/