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CCP No longer adding sandbox?

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#1 - 2012-11-11 10:09:18 UTC
Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.

They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate with many turret hardpoints and lots of CPU. People will figure out its the best for mining. Instead of making salvaging drones make drones that tractor wrecks to your ship. People will figure out to get a ship that fits a decent amount of salvagers. And there are also plenty of other uses for this tractor drone. Freighters should have fitting flots. Atm. they just gave them plenty of HP, made them slow, and gave them lots of cargo space. It has to be up to players to experiement with fits and make the freighter they want. A slow but tanky one, or a fast but more more easier to gank one etc. Its all about the sandbox element, leaving choice up to the player. Experimenting is part of the game.

o/
Ra'Shyne Viper
Native Freshfood
#2 - 2012-11-11 10:12:47 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.

They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate with many turret hardpoints and lots of CPU. People will figure out its the best for mining. Instead of making salvaging drones make drones that tractor wrecks to your ship. People will figure out to get a ship that fits a decent amount of salvagers. And there are also plenty of other uses for this tractor drone. Freighters should have fitting flots. Atm. they just gave them plenty of HP, made them slow, and gave them lots of cargo space. It has to be up to players to experiement with fits and make the freighter they want. A slow but tanky one, or a fast but more more easier to gank one etc. Its all about the sandbox element, leaving choice up to the player. Experimenting is part of the game.



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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#3 - 2012-11-11 10:13:41 UTC
I suppose you are in favor of dumbing down then

o/
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#4 - 2012-11-11 10:15:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Yeah... other than every ship that always had specific weapon bonuses or abilities like mining yield... And only ever used some ships *cough* empire mining frigs for the first week of play than never used them again.
Now we have a miner frig thats awesome for rookies, and awesome later yet again for advanced players for gas mining. It always has a use. Whens the last time you used a Bantam? Or other empire mining frigate? It was a few day stepping stone that you dare not look back at.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-11-11 10:16:55 UTC
Giving ships roles is part of the sandbox - you can still fit them any way you like, but they just work better in a specific role. For example, I can fit a Navitas for PVE lvl 1 missions and it works just fine, but as a mining frigate, it works better because of its bonuses for mining. Having an ORE mining frigate improves the sandbox, freeing up the racial mining ships for other roles.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2012-11-11 10:19:22 UTC
Freighters are fine and have been since they were added back in 2005.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#7 - 2012-11-11 10:21:27 UTC
Souisa wrote:
I suppose you are in favor of dumbing down then


I suppose you are in favor of eating babies then. You know what a non sequitur is right? I mean, you just used one.
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#8 - 2012-11-11 10:22:02 UTC
If you want to make a comparison to other ships, they should have prefitted mining lasers or guns, no fitting.

o/
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-11-11 10:22:51 UTC
What exactly is being dumbed down? The mining frigate is being added, since racial mining bonused frigates are being removed with the tiericide, so a new dedicated ship was needed. All part of tiericide, that had made previously useless ships competitive. Salvage drones are adding more drone options and alternatives to fitting a salvager. You know adding more viable options available to the players. The opposite of dumbing down.

Freghters on the other hand are like big shuttles and always have been. It would be nice if CCP made them regular ships with some fitting choices, but they aren't being changed, so they can't therefore be dumbed down either.
Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#10 - 2012-11-11 10:28:47 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.

They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate with many turret hardpoints and lots of CPU. People will figure out its the best for mining. Instead of making salvaging drones make drones that tractor wrecks to your ship. People will figure out to get a ship that fits a decent amount of salvagers. And there are also plenty of other uses for this tractor drone. Freighters should have fitting flots. Atm. they just gave them plenty of HP, made them slow, and gave them lots of cargo space. It has to be up to players to experiement with fits and make the freighter they want. A slow but tanky one, or a fast but more more easier to gank one etc. Its all about the sandbox element, leaving choice up to the player. Experimenting is part of the game.



CCP adds new ships and modules to give more options for people to utilize. Idiot complains that they are taking away the sandbox aspect. Newsflash buddy, noone says you can't fit blasters to the mining frigate and surprise the hell out of someone.

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Generals4
#11 - 2012-11-11 10:31:21 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.


Yeah it's kind of weird eh, a ship which has a dedicated role. I mean it's not like it's clear my drake is a combat ship and not hauler. Or that my hulk is a mining ship and not supposed to be used to probe down DED sites. Etc. It has always been clear what ships should be used for and just like with other ships that doesn't mean you can't use it for something else if you truly want to.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-11-11 10:34:04 UTC
0/10

brb
MyB1atch
D.M.T inc
#13 - 2012-11-11 10:41:26 UTC
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Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.

They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate



Read that much and gave up. Go away!
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#14 - 2012-11-11 10:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Souisa
Alua Oresson wrote:
Souisa wrote:
Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.

They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate with many turret hardpoints and lots of CPU. People will figure out its the best for mining. Instead of making salvaging drones make drones that tractor wrecks to your ship. People will figure out to get a ship that fits a decent amount of salvagers. And there are also plenty of other uses for this tractor drone. Freighters should have fitting flots. Atm. they just gave them plenty of HP, made them slow, and gave them lots of cargo space. It has to be up to players to experiement with fits and make the freighter they want. A slow but tanky one, or a fast but more more easier to gank one etc. Its all about the sandbox element, leaving choice up to the player. Experimenting is part of the game.



CCP adds new ships and modules to give more options for people to utilize. Idiot complains that they are taking away the sandbox aspect. Newsflash buddy, noone says you can't fit blasters to the mining frigate and surprise the hell out of someone.


Well lets see how the mining frigate turns out first. Besides mining frigate or not, freighters still dont have fitting options, the salvaging drone will still be a dumbed down drone compared to a tractor counter-part.

o/
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#15 - 2012-11-11 10:50:59 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
What exactly is being dumbed down? The mining frigate is being added, since racial mining bonused frigates are being removed with the tiericide, so a new dedicated ship was needed. All part of tiericide, that had made previously useless ships competitive. Salvage drones are adding more drone options and alternatives to fitting a salvager. You know adding more viable options available to the players. The opposite of dumbing down.

Freghters on the other hand are like big shuttles and always have been. It would be nice if CCP made them regular ships with some fitting choices, but they aren't being changed, so they can't therefore be dumbed down either.


As far as i know salvage drones does not loot the wreck, and even if they did it would be a dumbed down way of looting. Tractor drones would still requires the player to make decisions. When it comes to the mining frigate, someone will probably use it for a day or two then move on.

Adding a ship with no fitting options is basically dumbing it down

o/
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2012-11-11 10:53:23 UTC
Souisa wrote:


Well lets see how the mining frigate turns out first. Besides mining frigate or not, freighters still font have fitting options, the salvaging drone will still be a dumbed down drone compared to a tractor counter-part.


Makes me wonder what you think about the mining drones.

Also as I said before, freighters have been in game for over 7 years and work just fine.
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#17 - 2012-11-11 10:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Souisa
baltec1 wrote:
Souisa wrote:


Well lets see how the mining frigate turns out first. Besides mining frigate or not, freighters still font have fitting options, the salvaging drone will still be a dumbed down drone compared to a tractor counter-part.


Makes me wonder what you think about the mining drones.

Also as I said before, freighters have been in game for over 7 years and work just fine.


Some things have been "broken" for a long time before CCP addresses it. Just because things have been a certain way for a certain amount of time does not mean its perfect or working fine

o/
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-11-11 11:03:38 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
Cut the trolling - CCP Falcon

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-11-11 11:03:54 UTC
Complains about no sandbox.
Lives in highsec.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2012-11-11 11:04:03 UTC
Souisa wrote:


Some things have been "broken" for a long time before CCP addresses it, so just because things have been a certain way for a certain amount of time does not mean its perfect



Only if said ship is broken.

Freighters are working just fine.
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