EVE General Discussion

No, this is true. I tried low-sec missioning when I was about 3-months into the game - undocked for my first mission and got ganked instantly without so much as a "lol u suck" from my assailant. Those were his exact words. If you want to encourage players to engage in more PvP, then the more experienced players are going to have to start treating the noobs better - nothing about that experience made me want to try low or nul again, and I'm getting my SP up before I venture back out there, it's that simple. I'm getting very close now, though - I already have access to much better ships than I did back then.

And before you ask - yes, I did attempt to fight him. I locked on and hit F1 and waited for the lock to acquire. Probably cycled my guns twice before my ship exploded.

i would think carebear is a state of mind... everyone at times when they play eve are carebears...

if the definition is a risk adverse player...

a large coalition of players who dont have enough players in their fleet decide not to engage in a fight are Carebears...

a person saving up fir thier first carrier avoiding getting killed like the plague is a carebear...

pretty much on a daily basis every person who plays eve will display characteristics of being a carebear...

its human nature.

You seem to have some aversion to civilised discourse. Doesn't your mummy love you??

Google is far from the be-all and end-all of places to learn from, for another thing. You make it sound like the forums are pointless - why have them when we can just Google everything??

I didn't post here for the purposes of your own private pissing contest. If you have nothing constructive to offer other than your personal problems, then go away.

I thought carebear was simply someone doing any form of pve. Missioning and mining mainly.

There is substance in your posts?

Could have fooled me.

FYI, why don't you read my posts and point out the ones where I was "crying" about it. I haven't cried about **** - I got blown up in lowsec and decided not to go back until my skills are better. I haven't whined - point out the post where I have, please. A link, not a quote. I know there's no "barrier" per se, but many players aren't interested in participating in something that basically means they have to "jump in the deep end of the pool" so to speak, without first learning how to swim. There are different schools of thought, such as the only way to learn is to jump in the deep end, but that doesn't make it a superior school of thought, nor does it make it the only one available.

Contempt itself is more worthy of contempt than whining, though, because whining is harmless - contempt, on the other hand, is usually just as unproductive and completely irrelevant. Instead of showing contempt to the whiners, why don't you try teaching them instead? Offer them alternatives to whining. Or, just keep showing contempt if your brain can't handle anything better, but I wonder if you realise that in that very "contempt", you are whining yourself. Whining about the whiners.

It all comes full circle, and then you become just as much a whiner as they do. Do you think that has earned you just a little contempt?

Quotes can be edited. Der.

Well, I'm having a hard time thinking of the post that I whined in, since I haven't got one. So instead of wasting your time arguing the semantics of link vs quote, why don't you make a point to me by finding the post in which I've whined. Unless you're willing to admit that you've bitten off more than you can chew in your elitist rants & ravings on my thread.

That wasn't a whine. That was an explanation of what happened, explaining why I don't go back there until I've got better skills. How did you interpret that as a whine? Or do you just interpret everyone that explains their reasons for not going into nul or low as a whine?

See, what I was actually explaining was how I dealt with the situation - that is, I decided to avoid low and nul and work on my skills. But I never whine about it. That was over three months ago when that happened - if I was going to whine about it, I would have done it then.

And no where in that post do I mention any demands I made for changes to the game. I merely explained how I did with what happened with what was available to me at the time, including actually trying to fight him. The point of that post wasn't about me getting killed, it was about my personal experience of how hard it is for new players to get into PvP, and how degrading it can be when other players make it harder on them.

EDIT: what you just did is called cherry-picking. The post as a whole provides the context for the anecdote, which you seem to have ignored or missed. Instead, you picked out the part that you could make look like a whine, and tried your very best to do so, but you are only fooling yourself.

Now, please try again.

Here's where you whined:


You were whining about mean people.


Not at all, I quoted the relevant part, where you whined, with enough substance to put that into context.

Not a whine about mean people. An explanation of how the way people treat other players will set their opinion of the game and how they should play it. Do you understand the difference? If I was going to whine about it, I would have done that three months ago when it happened. This is just an example from personal experience of what kind of player behaviours exist, but I didn't whine about it.

You complain about people not reading, which is another form of whining itself, but you are completely missing everyone's point as if it is irrelevant next to your own. Perhaps if you paid attention to other people instead of expecting them to pay attention to you and only you and swallow your words as "biblical" you might be able to lose this self-absorbed attitude of yours and be able to adapt to the fact that there are other people playing this game.

EDIT: IF people are going to get treated like crap in the game, then why shouldn't they complain? Why shouldn't they speak out against jerks, elitists, self-absorbed egomaniacs like yourself, and other foul behaviour in the game? Even if it is allowed according to game mechanics and EULA, if you're treating people like crap then you should probably EXPECT them to complain. Expecting them not to is really quite daft and naive.