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SlootymcSlootSLoot
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#1 - 2012-11-09 10:33:41 UTC
Hello everyone,

This is my first post on the forums so hello! I am in a pickle at the moment. I would like to try out WH space and am interested in setting up a pos in a C3. I have been doing lots of research of WH space and the problem I am having is my race Gallente.

I run 3 accounts 2x PvP/PvE 1xSalvage alt. My two mains can fly everything sub cap and I need to know;

1. What ships to use for the sites.
2. What sort of isk there is to be made,

I would really appreciate someone's help on this as no one I have spoke to in EvE knows. EvE for me is getting a little to predictable and I want to throw a spanner into the works :)

Fly safe Everyone

Sloot
Aducat Ragnarson
Blootered Bastards
#2 - 2012-11-09 11:49:54 UTC
I would recommend 2 remote repair Dominix.
Sleeper aggro will not (or very rarely) switch to your drones while you are remote repping.
We tried shield and armor RR and came to the conclusion, that if you invest a little more isk into the Domies, the shield RR version is far superior, as you can stuff the lowslots with DDAs and get very respectable dps.
SlootymcSlootSLoot
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#3 - 2012-11-09 12:19:44 UTC
Thanks!! I shall have a look on Battleclinic for fits. In your experiences do you think you would earn more ISK doing that in a wormhole than ratting in a -0.7 system in 0.0?


Thanks guys
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#4 - 2012-11-09 13:06:54 UTC
Gallente C3 solo is now a myth, born of legends in the past when Proteus' could tank sleepers, a time before neuts, indeed a time when the Grog the son of Egg Nog the son of Drunk The Great rules w-space, and yea, twas good. But then the evil dwarves came and stole the gold of w-space and the Sleepers began to neut, and verily, all Gallente sucked and went back to their froofy cafe swamps and ate space snails or summat. Whatever.

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Speedy McSpeed
Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation
#5 - 2012-11-09 13:35:43 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Gallente C3 solo is now a myth, born of legends in the past when Proteus' could tank sleepers, a time before neuts, indeed a time when the Grog the son of Egg Nog the son of Drunk The Great rules w-space, and yea, twas good. But then the evil dwarves came and stole the gold of w-space and the Sleepers began to neut, and verily, all Gallente sucked and went back to their froofy cafe swamps and ate space snails or summat. Whatever.


...and breathe...
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#6 - 2012-11-09 13:58:06 UTC
As Aducat Ragnarson said couple of shield RR domis handle C3s very well - if you can get the 3rd accounts to atleast sit in a BC running the siege link for resists (preferably all 3 siege links) it will make shield tanking them massively more effective to and you may even be able to drop some of the tank modules for more dps. Once you have 2 or more ships running RR the aggro on drones reduces significantly.
LordAssasin
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#7 - 2012-11-09 14:27:35 UTC
SlootymcSlootSLoot wrote:
Thanks!! I shall have a look on Battleclinic for fits. In your experiences do you think you would earn more ISK doing that in a wormhole than ratting in a -0.7 system in 0.0?


Thanks guys

never ever:)
you canot make 170 mils /h in wh...not from what i have seen. and with 2 machariels backed up by 1 carreier with the fighters you can get that isk.
i have not seen somthing elce that mached:)
Tommassino Preldent
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-11-09 15:32:44 UTC
Ive seen ppl rolling in passive shield tanked myrmidons. Maybe you might want to try that out aswell.
Judo Chopped
GET TO DA CHOPPER
#9 - 2012-11-09 16:25:00 UTC
In terms of isk per hour running your own C3 sites;

I typically run sites with a mate in a tengu, while I fly the loki (I know both of these are no good to you but...) and we would expect around 120m / hour on average.

That's fairly casually running 3 sites an hour. If you push it, you can do more.

But then there is the other stuff to take into account;
You will have income from PI, fullerene reactions and any other industry interests.
On the flip side, you'll spend around 80m a week on fuel.

Hope this helps.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#10 - 2012-11-09 16:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Tommassino Preldent wrote:
Ive seen ppl rolling in passive shield tanked myrmidons. Maybe you might want to try that out aswell.


Its doable but not very optimal - you struggle to top about 300dps each at the ranges needed - whereas the domis can be putting down 700+ dps each potentially at the ranges needed for C3 sites.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-11-09 17:33:33 UTC
LordAssasin wrote:
SlootymcSlootSLoot wrote:
Thanks!! I shall have a look on Battleclinic for fits. In your experiences do you think you would earn more ISK doing that in a wormhole than ratting in a -0.7 system in 0.0?


Thanks guys

never ever:)
you canot make 170 mils /h in wh...not from what i have seen. and with 2 machariels backed up by 1 carreier with the fighters you can get that isk.
i have not seen somthing elce that mached:)



You haven't seen much of WH's I take it?
SlootymcSlootSLoot
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#12 - 2012-11-09 18:06:07 UTC
Hey guys,

Thanks so much for your replies, all this info is so much help! I guess I will have to do it and find out how much ISK I can make. Even if its not as extravagant as 0.0 I am happy to try something different!!

2 RR Dommis I have used before......but never shield, so with a few days training I should be ready to go!! Hopefully a buddy of mine will join me in his drake which would help. I have a few more questions if anyone could help me, it would be greatly appreciated.

1.With 2 RR dommi's and the sleepers draining cap is this going to be a problem? Even with a cap chain?
2. Sentry's or Heavy s? Does it matter what race drones you use?


Thanks so much guys cant wait to get stuck in!!!!!

IdeaFly safe 07Idea
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#13 - 2012-11-09 18:47:50 UTC
Neuting shouldn't be a problem tho it may mean at times you need to be a bit hands on as only one ship will need to be running RR at a time for the most part unless you mess up on the triggers. (you can probably leave them running on both until cap management needs more attention).

Armor RR on them works fine but as someone said above going with shield fits gives you far more potential to increase damage output, etc.

Which race drones you use won't matter too much, I'd say that mostly you'd be using bouncers, hammerheads and warriors or hobgoblins - having heavies doesn't hurt but most times for hitting sleeper BS sentries do just as well and don't have the travel time delay.
korellis hawkesford
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#14 - 2012-11-09 18:52:10 UTC
Sounds pretty interesting! I don't know anything about wormholes but this sounds like you could make a nice mount of #isk.

Good luck
SlootymcSlootSLoot
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#15 - 2012-11-09 18:55:26 UTC
Be nice is someone had a similar set-up to say what ISK can be made, thanks for the advice! I also have another alt so will put him in a drake in the POS with shield boosts!

I love the idea of RR Dom's because they don't use ammo and well im cheap .... :)
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-11-09 19:12:14 UTC
SlootymcSlootSLoot wrote:
Be nice is someone had a similar set-up to say what ISK can be made, thanks for the advice! I also have another alt so will put him in a drake in the POS with shield boosts!

I love the idea of RR Dom's because they don't use ammo and well im cheap .... :)




If you are living in a C3 and just farming your home system, it is pretty much impossible to put an isk/hr amount on it. The reason is Wh anoms and signatures respawn at a highly random and highly variable rate. You can go days with no activity, and then days where 10 new sites spawn.

That being said, from talking to others as well as my C3 experience, I'd say on average a C3 will generate ~ 1bil a week in combat sites.

When I ran C3 sites, it was with dual boxed tengu's. I'm going heavily from memory, but I'd say I could generally clear them in about 8 min maybe? so say 10min average to run and salvage. So around 6 an hour. And (again going from memory) C3 sites are worth about 30mil minimum in blue loot before salvage, which puts it around 180mil /hr minimum.

Very rough numbers of course. But in reality, most days you will be spending like 30min running the sites that spawned and you are done for the day. It's not like 0.0 (especially SOV) where an upgraded system will have a guaranteed number of anoms at any given time.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#17 - 2012-11-09 19:13:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
ISK that can be made from it varies hugely depending on site spawn rate in the system your in (which can vary hugely), how much effort you put into crashing your static to run sites there (if applicable) and also incidental income from PI and using the POS for industry stuff, etc. (and how well you monitor and keep an eye on or collapse links, etc. if your getting ganked regularly that gonna take a slice out of the income tho it doesn't take many C3 sites to cover the cost of RR domis).

TBH as you seem to have fairly reasonable sub-cap skills and a few accounts you may want to look at using C3s as a stepping stone to C4s once your familar with the setup I think you could make a lot more from C4s if your not sharing it out with too many people and have the skills and abilities to run them in good time with just your accounts and maybe the odd friend.
SlootymcSlootSLoot
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#18 - 2012-11-09 19:25:45 UTC
Thanks again guys, great advice! For some reason I had it in my head (must of heard it somewhere) that C3 worholes are better than C4's. If you think it would be more profitable, maybe I should jump straight into a C4?

Cheers guys o7
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-11-09 19:51:47 UTC
SlootymcSlootSLoot wrote:
Thanks again guys, great advice! For some reason I had it in my head (must of heard it somewhere) that C3 worholes are better than C4's. If you think it would be more profitable, maybe I should jump straight into a C4?

Cheers guys o7


You probably heard about C3 sites being better overall isk/hr than C4's. None of which really matters in terms of your home system. People prefer WH's with a static C3 to farm C3's.

I can say living now in a C4, that while the isk per site is higher, the spawns of new sites so far seem slower than in a C3. The key isk for us in a C4 is farming the static. That being said I wouldnt really want to do that if I were doing a solo operation.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-11-09 19:59:59 UTC
LordAssasin wrote:
SlootymcSlootSLoot wrote:
Thanks!! I shall have a look on Battleclinic for fits. In your experiences do you think you would earn more ISK doing that in a wormhole than ratting in a -0.7 system in 0.0?


Thanks guys

never ever:)
you canot make 170 mils /h in wh...not from what i have seen. and with 2 machariels backed up by 1 carreier with the fighters you can get that isk.
i have not seen somthing elce that mached:)


As if... You can get 180 million per hour on a simple moa in higher class holes, all you need is a Core ladar site and you can puff that C320 cloud dry.

That said, thinking everything in terms of isk per hour is completely silly. Go for fun instead, you wont get burnt out of boring repetition that way.
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