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Unintended effect of war on high sec?

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-11-08 17:19:15 UTC  |  Edited by: LHA Tarawa
Years ago, 0.0 ores were quite a bit more profitable to mine than high sec.

Unless I did something really wrong in the calculations, it looks like high sec mins are 170-190 ISK per m3, B and C are 180-200, and A is 220-230.

Really? Scord in high sec has the same value as C from 0.0?
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#2 - 2012-11-08 17:21:29 UTC
Yes.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2012-11-08 17:22:41 UTC
Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-11-08 17:25:43 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE



Nope, not intended to be that at all. I'm a high sec care bear myself. Check my other posts. In fact, I'm very anti-nerf-high, believing the result would be lots of carebears dropping the game (rather than the intended get them to move out of high).

I just ran some numbers after friends invited me to join them in 0,.0 or WH. I ran the numbers and found it to be more profitable to stay in high.
Jantunen the Infernal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-11-08 17:25:51 UTC
Nerf Highsec
Anya Solette
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-11-08 17:26:26 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


confirming highsec should be nerfed into the dirt. Ban CONCORD
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-11-08 17:28:15 UTC
Anya Solette wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


confirming highsec should be nerfed into the dirt. Ban CONCORD


Why do you want high sec to be as empty as low? Why do you want 2/3rd of players to drop their accounts?
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#8 - 2012-11-08 17:28:18 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


This

I just don't understand null sec players.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-11-08 17:29:32 UTC
Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances.

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-11-08 17:32:14 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


This



Right... because my posting history shows I'm a big pro-0.0, pro-pvp, pro-nerf-high poster..... NOT!


It was just an observation.

If anything, it is a "nerf-war-on-high-sec" to get the prices of high sec ores back down where they belong.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-11-08 17:35:00 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances.


I did spend some time in 0.0. Yeah... since we'd doc up (or station up) whenever a non-blue was in system... it was pretty safe.

This is basically the argument made to me by my friends that are still 0.0.... That the war on high sec has made 0.0 safer than high. I should "come on out". Meh. I don't like the politics or the titan conga lines.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#12 - 2012-11-08 17:37:03 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
I ran the numbers and found it to be more profitable to stay in high.


Yep.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#13 - 2012-11-08 17:41:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
LHA Tarawa wrote:
I ran the numbers and found it to be more profitable to stay in high.

Welcome to the reason people are pissed off at null vs hisec balance. It goes further than that, too, touching upon most areas of industry. It is also much less profitable than you see, because in nullsec there are more things which can prevent you from mining: CTAs, roaming gangs, and other stuff.

Ed: while this may have been impacted by the "war on hisec", it already was the case that it is easier to make more money in hisec than in nullsec, which is why the whole "nerf hisec" rage started in the first place.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#14 - 2012-11-08 17:43:49 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:


Why do you want high sec to be as empty as low? Why do you want 2/3rd of players to drop their accounts?


Because it will leave more server bandwidth and CPU time for people who want to play MULTI-player EVE and do other things than shoot at rocks? Also, "nothing of value was lost".
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-11-08 17:47:59 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:


Why do you want high sec to be as empty as low? Why do you want 2/3rd of players to drop their accounts?


Because it will leave more server bandwidth and CPU time for people who want to play MULTI-player EVE and do other things than shoot at rocks? Also, "nothing of value was lost".



What would actually happen is that CCP would cut costs to match the lower revenue stream, reduce the number of servers in the farm, cut back on the number of dedicated T1 lines hooking the internets to their server farm, etc. You'd get the same "network resources per player", just fewer players and less total resources.


Why is a high sec mining op with dozens of players involved, or a mission running op with a half dozen people running missions together, less multi-player than sitting on a titan doing a conga line waiting to see if the enemy will commit their fleet to a fight?

Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#16 - 2012-11-08 17:50:30 UTC
If you want to nerf high sec because it is more profitable than 0.0 space, you'll need a reason.

.. Because currently, I would feel safer in a hulk in the middle of a 0.0 dead-end than in high sec.

Up wormhole belts, that's what CCP have to do. It is a logistical nightmare and afk p0rn with local on the second screen doesn't work at all.

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-11-08 17:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Klymer
LHA Tarawa wrote:
That the war on high sec has made 0.0 safer than high.


shush....dammit your going to spoil everything
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#18 - 2012-11-08 17:54:17 UTC
Jantunen the Infernal wrote:
Buff Nullsec Industry


Fixed that for you. Blink

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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#19 - 2012-11-08 17:58:25 UTC
Well let's have a look at drone poo.

12 of the alloys (all of them) refined into minerals that can be mined in hi-sec.
4 of the alloys refined into minerals that cannot be mined in hi-sec
1 of the alloys refined into megacyte

When this was removed, supply for the hi-sec available minerals decreased a great deal. Thus the prices for these minerals increased.

There's various ways to increase demand on minerals that cannot be obtained in high sec, or as most null sec residents would like to see, reduce supply (refining nerf) of hi sec available minerals. Funny how the problem arises from a reduction in supply, and the solution proposed is the same thing as what caused the problem in the first place.

Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#20 - 2012-11-08 18:04:20 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:


I just ran some numbers after friends invited me to join them in 0,.0 or WH. I ran the numbers and found it to be more profitable to stay in high.


Do you not see this is the problem?

What SHOULD have happened is this:

- You run numbers, see how much more money you can make
- Your eyes become $ . $
- You then think "But wait, do I want to take the risk of dying or not? Can i be bothered with all that?"


THEN you make your decision as to whether or not you think the extra $$$ is worth the hassle. You might decide you dont like PvP so much that you think the extra money isnt worth it. That's cool.

If you're starting from "I'll make less money" why would you EVER decide its worth the hassle?

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

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