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Dev Blog: The Art Of Retribution

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Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#61 - 2012-11-08 20:19:03 UTC
Absolutely 100% (+10%) agree with this look for future redesigns of ORE ships (hint hint T2). Containers, upon containers, upon containers. And, if the graphic art developers want "mode animations" then having increasing numbers of containers begin to stack up during mining operations would be awesome.


Stegas Tyrano wrote:
More vertical mining ships please. Also, please redo the Mining barges so they look less like this and more like this or even just redo them in the ORE frigate styling.

The Destroyers look nice, the improvements to the minmatar one make it look nicer although some more modifications to the hull to make it look more sci-fi would've been nicer.
Lolmer
Merciless Reckoning
#62 - 2012-11-08 20:25:48 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Lolmer wrote:
Please stop (and undo!) camouflage on spaceships. There is no point in that kind of camouflage in space and it is very ugly (subjective, I know, but I have not heard of anyone liking the camouflage addition to ships). If you want to "hide" a ship in space, paint it black (not that I am proposing this).

There are those who think that camo is funky (and even cool).

I know some ex-caldari service people who'd like to talk with you about that.

And I for one like my camo painted bunny scorpion thank you ...


Okay, the Rattlesnake does look good with camouflage (I have one), but I should clarify my complaints are for the Minmatar ships (Vargur specifically) for being put in camouflage.
Oberine Noriepa
#63 - 2012-11-08 20:32:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Oberine Noriepa
Lolmer wrote:
Please stop (and undo!) camouflage on spaceships. There is no point in that kind of camouflage in space and it is very ugly (subjective, I know, but I have not heard of anyone liking the camouflage addition to ships). If you want to "hide" a ship in space, paint it black (not that I am proposing this).

I like the camouflage paint jobs. I've always been under the impression that the camouflage is decorative since it's rather difficult to spot something in space by sight alone to begin with. A ship "sees" through various sensors and displays objects on the overview. Camouflage paint jobs aren't going to change that, so falling under the impression they are applied in an effort to conceal a ship is rather foolish since there are modules which allow you to do just that.

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Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#64 - 2012-11-08 20:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
As I think more about this, I think the issue is just to admit *at all*, "Oh, we ripped off this Sci-Fi movie design, and from this TV show, and stole from this awesome favorite ...." Tsk, tsk, tsk. When the devblog comes back, mark my words, no more references to "inspiration" except the actual military and industrial ships and vehicles.

Haifisch Zahne wrote:
Can someone say, "Copyright infringement" or "Intellectual Property"? (Possibly the pictures?)


CCP Phantom wrote:
Unfortunately we had to unpublish the devblog on a short notice for further refinements. Once we have finished these required refinements we will publish the blog again for everyone to enjoy and to discuss.

Please accept our apologies for this short term notification.




Oh, and let's see how long before this post is removed by CCP for violation of CCP's Community Censorship Protocol ("CCCP").
Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#65 - 2012-11-08 20:51:31 UTC
On the "EvE looks darker" part, I have a comment I would really like to get forwarded to the relevant people.

I think EvE looks fine, but there is no "night". I would really enjoy it if, when you are in the shadow of a big enough celestial (like a planet, moon or a station, only the lights on the ships and the reflections of those and nearby lightsources where still visible, so that we would really get a feel of being in the pitch black void that is space.

So, less ambient light, to let the local lights shine, if I may say so. Roll

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Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#66 - 2012-11-08 21:02:11 UTC
Iris Bravemount wrote:
On the "EvE looks darker" part, I have a comment I would really like to get forwarded to the relevant people.

I think EvE looks fine, but there is no "night". I would really enjoy it if, when you are in the shadow of a big enough celestial (like a planet, moon or a station, only the lights on the ships and the reflections of those and nearby lightsources where still visible, so that we would really get a feel of being in the pitch black void that is space.

So, less ambient light, to let the local lights shine, if I may say so. Roll

It's been said by many others before, but in partnership with what you've said, I'd like to see light diminish the further-out you go in a solar system... Why should the Sun be as large and bright at planet XI, as it is at planet I...?
Stegas Tyrano
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-11-08 21:15:27 UTC
Iris Bravemount wrote:
On the "EvE looks darker" part, I have a comment I would really like to get forwarded to the relevant people.

I think EvE looks fine, but there is no "night". I would really enjoy it if, when you are in the shadow of a big enough celestial (like a planet, moon or a station, only the lights on the ships and the reflections of those and nearby lightsources where still visible, so that we would really get a feel of being in the pitch black void that is space.

So, less ambient light, to let the local lights shine, if I may say so. Roll


Space battles in the dark behind a planet would look epic!

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Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-11-08 22:55:56 UTC
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
As I think more about this, I think the issue is just to admit *at all*, "Oh, we ripped off this Sci-Fi movie design, and from this TV show, and stole from this awesome favorite ...." Tsk, tsk, tsk. When the devblog comes back, mark my words, no more references to "inspiration" except the actual military and industrial ships and vehicles.

Haifisch Zahne wrote:
Can someone say, "Copyright infringement" or "Intellectual Property"? (Possibly the pictures?)


CCP Phantom wrote:
Unfortunately we had to unpublish the devblog on a short notice for further refinements. Once we have finished these required refinements we will publish the blog again for everyone to enjoy and to discuss.

Please accept our apologies for this short term notification.


Oh, and let's see how long before this post is removed by CCP for violation of CCP's Community Censorship Protocol ("CCCP").
Haha. Did CCP seriously make such an amateurish mistake as to reference a currently copyrighted, trademarked or otherwise protected piece of intellectual property?

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Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#69 - 2012-11-08 23:42:05 UTC
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
As I think more about this, I think the issue is just to admit *at all*, "Oh, we ripped off this Sci-Fi movie design, and from this TV show, and stole from this awesome favorite ...." Tsk, tsk, tsk. When the devblog comes back, mark my words, no more references to "inspiration" except the actual military and industrial ships and vehicles.

Haifisch Zahne wrote:
Can someone say, "Copyright infringement" or "Intellectual Property"? (Possibly the pictures?)


CCP Phantom wrote:
Unfortunately we had to unpublish the devblog on a short notice for further refinements. Once we have finished these required refinements we will publish the blog again for everyone to enjoy and to discuss.

Please accept our apologies for this short term notification.


Oh, and let's see how long before this post is removed by CCP for violation of CCP's Community Censorship Protocol ("CCCP").
Haha. Did CCP seriously make such an amateurish mistake as to reference a currently copyrighted, trademarked or otherwise protected piece of intellectual property?


Actually... is it forbidden to say that you have been inspired by X or Y?

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Luc Chastot
#70 - 2012-11-09 00:38:00 UTC
Iris Bravemount wrote:
Actually... is it forbidden to say that you have been inspired by X or Y?


The problem is likely not with the names or the objects, but with the pictures themselves. I didn't see CCP give credit to the owner of those; honestly, it's not a big deal though, CCP didn't say they owned those images either.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#71 - 2012-11-09 00:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
Yes, if the similarity is "excessive". Not a lawyer, but obviously, else copyright would have no meaning.


Iris Bravemount wrote:
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
As I think more about this, I think the issue is just to admit *at all*, "Oh, we ripped off this Sci-Fi movie design, and from this TV show, and stole from this awesome favorite ...." Tsk, tsk, tsk. When the devblog comes back, mark my words, no more references to "inspiration" except the actual military and industrial ships and vehicles.

Haifisch Zahne wrote:
Can someone say, "Copyright infringement" or "Intellectual Property"? (Possibly the pictures?)


CCP Phantom wrote:
Unfortunately we had to unpublish the devblog on a short notice for further refinements. Once we have finished these required refinements we will publish the blog again for everyone to enjoy and to discuss.

Please accept our apologies for this short term notification.


Oh, and let's see how long before this post is removed by CCP for violation of CCP's Community Censorship Protocol ("CCCP").
Haha. Did CCP seriously make such an amateurish mistake as to reference a currently copyrighted, trademarked or otherwise protected piece of intellectual property?


Actually... is it forbidden to say that you have been inspired by X or Y?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#72 - 2012-11-09 00:57:28 UTC
FYI, copy of original blog was posted by someone to Reddit /r/EVE
Oberine Noriepa
#73 - 2012-11-09 01:26:34 UTC
Iris Bravemount wrote:
I think EvE looks fine, but there is no "night". I would really enjoy it if, when you are in the shadow of a big enough celestial (like a planet, moon or a station, only the lights on the ships and the reflections of those and nearby lightsources where still visible, so that we would really get a feel of being in the pitch black void that is space.

I would love this.

Hiram Alexander wrote:

It's been said by many others before, but in partnership with what you've said, I'd like to see light diminish the further-out you go in a solar system... Why should the Sun be as large and bright at planet XI, as it is at planet I...?

I would love this if it operated by the inverse square law.

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David Zahavi
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-11-09 03:49:07 UTC
Sad to see this unpublished.

Was talking about it in fleet this morning.

Joined a fleet tonight, started talking about it and then it was like... wtf...where did it go :(

Thought I was loosing my mind for a few min :P
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-11-09 08:18:20 UTC
Is this a stealth nerf cloaking thread?
Bariolage
Control F9
#76 - 2012-11-09 15:06:39 UTC
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Bariolage wrote:
Also, forgive me if it's common knowledge, but what is mode animation? I could not find it on google.


Yeah I wasn't sure what to call it, but what I mean by "mode animation" is the possibility of the ship to enter a different state or a mode, like putting up extra armor and/or retracting wings when your are engaged in combat.



What! Yay! I love stuff. I love stuff in the game I love.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-11-09 16:52:18 UTC
Well...this would be the first time I have ever seen a Dev Blog thread made without a Dev Blog...

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cBOLTSON
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-11-09 18:55:59 UTC
Daneel Trevize wrote:
The Mega is a DPS boat, almost always a blaster boat. Especially the varients like the Kronos and Vindicator with their strength but not range bonus to webbing.
Compare these two linked images. Ignore the broken terrible new texture for now (Dev says it's still WIP and texture is broken).

The top front half of the old ship has a single fluid convex curve, it it like a muscle across a shoulder (true to the game's canon of organic racial inspiration) and emphasises the potential power of the highest DPS sub-cap ship in the game. The front then curves down and only forwards to the horns/spikes (giving no quarter, there is it: being close; and being closer/in your face). The rear half is shorter than the front with flowing curves and gives a sense of compactness and up-front focus.

The new model is undeniably bent along the top, and then has frowny eyebrows, a concave face, and just looks sad/depressed about the situation it finds itself in. The back half is now terribly straight lined, long and utterly forgettable.

Never mind that the texture should also invoke organic form and not plate metal, the ship is a fighting bull, not a pathetic rectangle with a melted front like someone's held a burning candle out horizontal and it's weakened itself.

Please try again, or leave it alone, do it justice.

P.S. Your forum doesn't like to leave 2 links with a space inbetween them.
Also why can't we have the lighter/fixed textures & lighting once 50% of models are new, rather than 100%?



You F**king What?
That's a huge step backwards! Its as if the new model is the old model, and the old model is the revamped version of the mega.

My days that's horrible. Personally I have always loved how the mega looks, you have killed it CCP.

The good old days of Unreal Tournament, fragging and sniping on Facing Worlds, listening to Foregone Destruction.......
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-11-09 19:10:52 UTC
been waiting for over 6 months for a dev blog from the art team and it got pulled. grrrr

hope they lay out their plans for the future regarding V3 and timelines
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-11-09 21:25:24 UTC
cBOLTSON wrote:

You F**king What?
That's a huge step backwards! Its as if the new model is the old model, and the old model is the revamped version of the mega.

My days that's horrible. Personally I have always loved how the mega looks, you have killed it CCP.

Please don't listen to this person. The new megathron is awesome. Please continue to make exceptional things like this.