Ships & Modules

I'm no ship or fitting expert or anything, but I was looking to try something different and get a Bhaalgorn to use as a level 4 mission runner. Hit Google to look into the viability of such an idea, and found that peoples heads seem to explode when this is considered, citing it's a PvP boat. Why is this? Just because it's usually used for PvP doesn't inherently make it bad for PvE. I see it as something akin to an expensive Abaddon, minus the armor bonus.

Sure - others will outperform the Bhaalgorn for less isk, but I'm not looking to buy a shiny because I need the isk. That being said, I don't want to buy a shiny that can't perform either. Was between the Nightmare and the Bhaalgorn, and decided on the Bhaalgorn as I thought the NOS would help mitigate the cap drain of my lasers.

My thought was to fit is as a dual rep dual web with 4 tachyon's and 3 meta 4 heavy NOS. Since the rats have unlimited capacitor, just sick the NOS on a rat and go to town on all of the other rats. Other damage, tank, and cap mods as needed.

What's the big deal? I'm not saying you folks are wrong...I'm merely asking for more of an explanation than "it's a PvP boat". What is it that makes it excel at PvP, but suck at PvE?

No damage bonuses, neut bonuses, no tanking bonuses.... Why would you use it over anything else that could be similarly equipped. It's much better off as a webbing neuting PvP ship that shuts down its opponents.

All that talk of NoS giving it a big tank but you don't need that to get the minimum tank. Once you know your ship can survive which any T1 Battleship can do it is all about Dmg projection.

A long Web would help but Dmg helps more. Is the Bhaal a bad ship for PvE, no not really Tach's are high Dmg it will do the missions reasonable enough. Is it a good ship, for 1Bil, you can get much more killing power then effective 8 Guns with Tach's.

The Faction Apoc can fit 8 Tach's and hit at long range and be stable enough in tank for instance so the Bhaal just isn't that spectacular. If you want to fly one and you are not an ISK Per Hour person then absolutely. I use a Navy Scorp over a CNR for the lazy tank so I can watch youtube while I grind, I want to train up an MWD Cap Stable Proteus Blaster Fit to replace it for the hell of it even if it is slower then the Tengu, so go with which ship you will prefer even if that preference is aesthetics, or combat style or weapons choice or whatever.

If it is ISK per Hour Absolutism then something else.

Bhaalgorn: 4 guns * 2 from bonus = 8 turrets

Nightmare: 4 guns * 2 * 1.25 from bonuses = 10 turrets (plus extra tracking)

(N)Apoc: 8 guns, no bonus to damage but range to offset = 8 longer range turrets

(N)Geddon: 7 turrets * 1/.75 from bonus = 9.33 turrets (plus sentries) [edit: fail math was fail]

Abaddon: 8 turrets * 1.25 from bonus = 10 turrets

Conclusion: Bhaalgorn does Apoc damage without the range bonus, which effectively cuts damage. But it's easy on cap with the nos, I guess.

What mann said. Bhaal just dont have any bonuses for it. But all blood ships are good at low sec/zero sec pve simply cause any solo ganker attacking you would be out of cap before he knows it
Generaly just fly bloodies in "leach" style and ure good to go.

Simply because it's not.

How much benefit is there in neuting NPCs?

There is no good reason to use it in PVE except maybe some very marginal situations where it can be used in a fleet for the web bonus (usually done better by having an extra support pilot in loki or rapier). In pretty much every other case theres a cheaper hull that will do exactly the same thing or better.

It is actually known for a fact that neuting an NPC prevents it from self-repping?

Why?
Because Bhaalgorn says NO!