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Does honor have a place in eve?
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Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#41 - 2012-11-08 02:01:57 UTC
Yo man -it's so logical.

If death before dishonor, then honor's place is after death.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-11-08 02:59:35 UTC
anyone who unironically plays the game ~honourably~ isn't playing on "hard mode" they're just naive and will fail

that's the "polite" way of putting it

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#43 - 2012-11-08 03:19:18 UTC
If by honour you mean not back stabbing your friends, sure.

If you mean towards some random space person... lawl... Big smile
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2012-11-08 04:17:43 UTC
If you're not immediately hostile to someone who isn't green or blue, and immediately hostile towards people who are green and blue, you're not playing the game correctly.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#45 - 2012-11-08 04:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
If you're not immediately hostile to someone who isn't green or blue, and immediately hostile towards people who are green and blue, you're not playing the game correctly.

Just shoot everyone.

It's the way to play EVE "correctly".
Ludi Burek wrote:
If by honour you mean not back stabbing your friends, sure.

If you mean towards some random space person... lawl... Big smile

Can I ask you for help in defending my space? Because I hear a bunch of people are coming to burn it down.

You ~do~ endorse undocking occasionally, right? Just don't want to get -A-'d here, you know?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#46 - 2012-11-08 05:23:45 UTC
As long as 'Sandbox' translates to anything goes, it really doesn't matter.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#47 - 2012-11-08 05:43:11 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Honor your Dev, and definitely honor your ISD.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-11-08 06:08:18 UTC
Honor they ISK. There is no trust, no hope, no salvation in EVE. There is just ISK. Stop fantasizing about some RL concept in a game about spaceship monopoly.
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#49 - 2012-11-08 06:19:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Bud Austrene wrote:
Personally, having honor makes me feel good.


Does honor any place in eve?


After few years in EvE i dont saw to much honor and honourable behaviour in sytuations where people should show honor (in my opinion) most sytuations betwen players when here interaction betwen difirent people are horrible and most people have no honor in game or respect to other people.

I remember when i was a pirate, me and my mates tacle Jump freighter in 0.4 system long time ago, he pay 500mil ransom and i let him to leave system, everyone was happy espetialy victim because he tell to us after leaving system about cargo value + 8bil isk :) before he leave system i wish him luck and giving tip to avoid low sec in future, also like you, having honor makes me feel good to.

In general i saw more honor in other games than here, New Eden is brutal place, in most cases here no mercy and no honor, however here still some people with honor.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#50 - 2012-11-08 06:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Bud Austrene wrote:
Some PVPers consider in unhonorable to gank a newbie.
It seems some PVPer are nothing more than terrorists and have no honor at all.
I have noticed that a player Jame315 has taken on the role of a gangster and is selling protection.

So the question is;

Does honor any place in eve?


Sigh.

One just has to read these 3 lines to realize the stalking horse for a 'PvP Everywhere' alt that this is indeed.

I'm currently yawning myself to death.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#51 - 2012-11-08 06:39:25 UTC
EvE is full of scum and dicks. Honor is a rare find these days, but not unheard of. Good luck finding it mind!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#52 - 2012-11-08 06:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Xen Solarus wrote:
Good luck finding it mind!



At least someone is sane and rational around here.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#53 - 2012-11-08 06:41:54 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
I remember when i was a pirate, me and my mates tacle Jump freighter in 0.4 system long time ago, he pay 500mil ransom and i let him to leave system, everyone was happy espetialy victim because he tell to us after leaving system about cargo value + 8bil isk :) before he leave system i wish him luck and giving tip to avoid low sec in future, also like you, having honor makes me feel good to.

Hmm, you didn't cargo scan, or did you? Also, wait a sec ...

Tarvos Telesto wrote:
before he leave system i wish him luck and giving tip to avoid low sec in future

Heh, I see what you were doing there. Helping to poison the well for other pirates, so to speak...

Is 8bil enough to make ganknig a JF worth it? It would be funny if he jumped into highsec and then got ganked.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#54 - 2012-11-08 06:43:29 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:


Is 8bil enough to make ganknig a JF worth it? It would be funny if he jumped into highsec and then got ganked.



Just LOL-ing at the idea. :D

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#55 - 2012-11-08 06:59:57 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:


Is 8bil enough to make ganknig a JF worth it? It would be funny if he jumped into highsec and then got ganked.



Just LOL-ing at the idea. :D


Well, these days some people gank - kamikaze freighters just for lulz.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#56 - 2012-11-08 07:01:53 UTC
Clystan wrote:
Yo man -it's so logical.

If death before dishonor, then honor's place is after death.


dis-honor: shedding of, absence of, removal or loss of honor. I do hope I didn't really have to point that out. Lol

But, like Andski said, if in different words: Honor will not shield you or protect you, in EVE or anywhere else. Expecting others to act honorably just because you do is foolish. Treat your enemies as they would treat you, from the first moment to the last. Threat them not with honor, but with cold-hearted vengeance and retribution.

In other words, don't expect others to act with honor; strike first and, (if you can), strike last. Do not offer mercy and do not hesitate; let your actions be swift and decided. Honor is best left to situations and circumstances where you can afford it. 
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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#57 - 2012-11-08 07:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
I remember when i was a pirate, me and my mates tacle Jump freighter in 0.4 system long time ago, he pay 500mil ransom and i let him to leave system, everyone was happy espetialy victim because he tell to us after leaving system about cargo value + 8bil isk :) before he leave system i wish him luck and giving tip to avoid low sec in future, also like you, having honor makes me feel good to.

Hmm, you didn't cargo scan, or did you? Also, wait a sec ...

Tarvos Telesto wrote:
before he leave system i wish him luck and giving tip to avoid low sec in future

Heh, I see what you were doing there. Helping to poison the well for other pirates, so to speak...

Is 8bil enough to make ganknig a JF worth it? It would be funny if he jumped into highsec and then got ganked.


I dont scan, he tell us about value of items inside cargo when he was 100% safe, i was with friend on boring gate camp, i offer 500mil for freedom even i realise this may be expensive drop and fat Kill mail ;), but im not greedy, here always chance to lose drop in cargo after ship blow.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#58 - 2012-11-08 07:05:18 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Can I ask you for help in defending my space? Because I hear a bunch of people are coming to burn it down.

You ~do~ endorse undocking occasionally, right? Just don't want to get -A-'d here, you know?



I am a little unsure if this is a dig at me or -A- or both but either way I will not help you defend myspace. Myspace is terrible.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#59 - 2012-11-08 07:24:21 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Can I ask you for help in defending my space? Because I hear a bunch of people are coming to burn it down.

You ~do~ endorse undocking occasionally, right? Just don't want to get -A-'d here, you know?

I am a little unsure if this is a dig at me or -A- or both but either way I will not help you defend myspace. Myspace is terrible.

Oh wow.

Is myspace still around?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#60 - 2012-11-08 14:40:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
EVE online is a game for pvp cowards.


Spaceship PvP is all predatory in this game




Exactly this^^. Cowards want to kill miners and call it pvp. This is without honor.


It might be without honor but its not cowardly. No cowardly would be like running to the forums to demand a nerf to a problem you are unwilling to face using already existing tools.



So every time you yourself come here and ask for a change by your own deffinittion your being a coward? Yea thought so. It takes nothing to kill a hi-sec miner except dps. People that kill miners in hi-sec do so because they cant pvp with the big boys. I respect the player who roams null looking for targets. Every time he is there he can be attacked and he has to get his kill and get out before the miners buddies arrive. He has to plan and plot and think and be prepared. This takes effort unlike killing miners in hi-sec. I have zero respect for the cowards that attack miners in hi-sec they do nothing to earn it.